JDLangdon
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Certified Virtualization Expert (CVE)

Does anyone know who owns and recognizes the Certified Virtualization Expert (CVE) designation? The course is being offered after Christmas but if this is isn't widely recognized, I'd rather hold out for the DSA course.

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Jason D. Langdon

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weinstein5
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Looks like it is owned by VM Training - and it is not widely recognized - the best to see its acceptance and see if anyone is requiring that cert for a job posting - last time I checked they aren't - it would be interesting if it were a vendor neutral cert but it is not reading that link the course sounds like Fast Track with some P2V thrown in -

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JDLangdon
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How can a third party company create a certification for a product which they do not own? Isn't that the same as me creating a new Certified System Engineer for Microsoft and calling it the CSEM certification?

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williambishop
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Yep. It's much like that. But all vendor neutral certs are exactly like that. If value is found in them, and it's consistent, they grow in popularity.

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Texiwill
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Hello,

For example the US Govt prefers vendor neutral certs over vendor specific certs. Take the popularity of the LPI. There should be a vendor neutral certification but most vendors want to certify themselves. Some actually do contribute to vendor neutral certs while others do not. At the moment while the CVE exists I do not think it is vendor neutral as it is VMware specific.


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JDLangdon
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Tex,

This is exactly what I'm getting at. There is nothing "vendor netrual" about the CVE certification. The only virtualization technology which is covered on the exam is VMware. How can one claim to be a Certified Virtualization Expert when you haven't been tested on anything other then VMware?

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Jason D. Langdon

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mikepodoherty
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Have to agree - definitely not vendor neutral - I took a look at the course outline and didn't see any real coverage of Solaris Zones, Xen or even hypervisor - looks like designed to be end run around VMware's certification program. Vmware offers a similar boot camp that covers the 2 basic level courses into a one week class.

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hughperry
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I actually took the course and test when it first came out. True Zones and Xen are not mentioned. 90% to 95% depending on the class is VI3 and VC. the other 5% to 10% covers Hypervisor. I'm also VCP310 & 320 so it was a breeze. The tests are pretty much the same with the exception of five or so hypervision questions, but i was content with the course. If you have a choice of one then I would go with the most reconized.

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Rockapot
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This has also been discussed on linkedin.com...

Personally I wouldnt waste my time doing it, VCP + Industry experience is the best route.., CVE just says to me that the candidate did not research the topic enough to bother doing a full on cert on the subject they wish to specialise in..

Probably coming accross as quite negative, appologies for that but you want a VMware consultant get a VCP, same goes for Microsoft and their cert etc...

If you want a generic virtualisation candidate for admin purposes then maybe a CVE or whatever its called.

Irrespective of the above, the course may still be interesting Smiley Happy

Carl

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hughperry
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I agree to a certain extent. Again the CVE courses / and certification tests were right in line with VCP320. CVE just covered a small fragment of Hypervisor. Though if you were to "pay" for something yourself that is not provided for free from your company then I would go with specific and not a generic.

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TLKern
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But the main thing is to play to your audience. Such certifications are meant to placate management and HR-types. And they all know that virtualization was invented by VMWare.

If you are looking to stay in the business of running x86 operating systems on x86 hardware, the biggest market is VMWare. Go with it. Get the certification and flash it for all the management/HR-types that are looking for it. Keep it on your wall when you get a job with other virtualization technologies in-house.

/Tom Kern

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Texiwill
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Hello,

VMware was the first company with a modern hypervisor but before VMware Workstation came out there was vm86, plus a host of other virtualization based products and tools for computers. VMware was not the one who 'invented' virtualization. I think those at IBM would have something to say about this.

Some certifications do more than placate HR and Managers, they actually have some respect in their specific industry. For example the Certified Computer Examiner has quite a bit of respect within the Forensic community, etc.

What is your goal for getting a certification or providing one, that is the key. Is it just to make money while you can, or to provide something worthwhile and respected in the industry?


Best regards,

Edward L. Haletky

VMware Communities User Moderator

====

Author of the book 'VMWare ESX Server in the Enterprise: Planning and Securing Virtualization Servers', Copyright 2008 Pearson Education.

Blue Gears and SearchVMware Pro Blogs: http://www.astroarch.com/wiki/index.php/Blog_Roll

Top Virtualization Security Links: http://www.astroarch.com/wiki/index.php/Top_Virtualization_Security_Links

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Edward L. Haletky
vExpert XIV: 2009-2022,
VMTN Community Moderator
vSphere Upgrade Saga: https://www.astroarch.com/blogs
GitHub Repo: https://github.com/Texiwill
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JBrooks60611
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I could not agree with you more. Recently I heard of a new site that will be posting video tutorials on virtualization and cloud computing. I hope they will be including more than VMware. It just went live so it is a bit limited at the moment. It's www.govirtual.com . The only tutorial is on VMware raw device mappings. My personal experience with VMtraining was not positive. Their rep made it seem like they were VMware certified which is not true. It was all a bit sketchy. Eventually I met someone who took the VMtraining course and the Live Ammo course. They seemed much happier with the quality of the Liveammo course which included fibre channel lab environment.. The LiveAmmoVirtualization course was also significantly less expensive. It doesn't offer a cert at the moment, but some of these certs aren't worth the paper printed upon. Once my employer approves the training req, I will be signing up for their course.

J. Brooks

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williambishop
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A bit limited doesn't begin to cover it, it's practically non-existent. Turfing...1st post and all, pointing to a site that barely exists to drum up site traffic....Oh my.

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JBrooks60611
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Dear Mr. Bishop,

I am sorry that you are so jaded and feel the need to jump to incorrect conclusions. For your information, neither my company nor myself have any type of business relationship with the companies that I mentioned. I wasn't trying to "drum up traffic". Instead I was sharing a little known resource. Did I violate a rule of the group by expressing my opinion and personal experience?

Maybe you are just a thug who enjoys lashing out at any constructive critique as some perverse sport.

If you can not refrain from attempting to discourage others from posting an opinion, you might want to cease reading the posts. When people share their opinion, it is expected that their opinion may differ from yours. Instead of your response, you may want to offer something constructive instead of sarcastic prevaricating. This is supposed to be a forum for people to offer their opinion.

Many people on this site are shamelessly self-promoting. Had I done that, you may have cause to criticise. However that was not the case at hand.

Julia Brooks

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williambishop
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Certainly I am jaded, I'm in the IT business, we're all jaded to some degree (moreso in the last few weeks- when vendors start making us feel like a piece of kibble). If I was wrong, then of course I apologize....But you only have to look a short distance these days to see some vendor or site owner turfing like crazy here...It's a sign of the times, where everyone's hurting for business and pushing their wares like a street corner crack slinger (this goes out to some of you IBM'ers, hint-hint).

As to being a thug, perhaps...I'm not known for the ability to tread lightly, I'm known to be abrupt, blunt, etc..... Again, if I was wrong, I apologize. You're certainly right, it's a VERY little known resource. I'm sure the traffic is in the single digits heretofore.Considering how unknown the site was and it being your first post on this site, you can see how I might have come to that conclusion, as I'm sure many others did. I guess a poster's activity over the long haul is the only way to truly determine the verity of such things.

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williambishop
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Deleted...because I am rough, but I don't kick someone when they're down.

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mothius
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FYI,

for anyone who is interested I am currenlt taking a course through ultimate bootcamp that is certified and it is far more informative than the vmware class. It is Vmware specific, but it encompasses so much more. I took the vmware course as well. I am not a spokesman but would highly recommend the course. There is so much real world info involved the vmware course doesn't come close.

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JDLangdon
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Hi Mothius,

While I do appreciate the update, I personally do not appreciate the way in which the CVE certification is being marketed. In my opinion, the idea that a single course entitled "The Ultimate VMware Bootcamp" and a single examination based upon VMware technologies can qualify anyone to consider themselves a "Certified Virtualization Expert" is not only laughable, but the fact that such a certification exist is an insult to anyone who has invested their time and energy into VMware technologies and certifications.

The joke at the office is that once you pass the exam you are officially a Certified, Virtual Expert. Smiley Happy

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Jason D. Langdon

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hughperry
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It's amazing that others are attempting to belittle the CVE Certification. Additionally I have noticed it's from those who have not taken the course. Jealousy or whatever the case may be, if I'm ever in the market looking for a VMware position, I will enjoy stating the hiring organization that I'm not just VCP certified....I'm VCP and CVE certified. From a laughter standpoint, I wonder who would be more marketable in that aspect.

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