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    VMWare workstation version 14.1.7 host support for Windows 10 1903

    BHourihan Lurker

      May have jumped the gun when I updated my system that runs VMWare Workstation version 14.1.7 to the 1903 build of Windows 10 and wanted to ask if there will be support for this build and version of VMWare workstation. If others have issues (ex. machines don't start/stop guest hang), is anyone else running this build having any luck to get things running correctly again? My guess is I just cornered myself into another costly VMWare fork lift upgrade (which there is no funding for) that may or may not support version 1903. Any information on this from the community would be sincerely appreciated.

        • 1. Re: VMWare workstation version 14.1.7 host support for Windows 10 1903
          wila Guru
          User ModeratorsvExpertCommunity Warriors

          Hi,

           

          Workstation 15.1 has added support for Windows 10 19H1 hosts, see:

          VMware Workstation 15.1 Pro Release Notes

          I'm not seeing the same thing for Workstation 14.

          In fact there's not even the security patches released yet from what I see.

           

          So there's a -admittedly small- chance that Windows 10 19H1 support is still on its way.

          Personally however I doubt it will come.

           

          When looking at the past then new host OS support is only added to the last released version of Workstation.

          Which quite frankly makes sense.

          If you cannot afford the upgrade then you might still be able to roll back to the previous version of Windows 10.

          I understand that that's not something you want to hear, but it is a possible way out of this.

          --

          Wil

          | Author of Vimalin. The virtual machine Backup app for VMware Desktop Products
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          • 2. Re: VMWare workstation version 14.1.7 host support for Windows 10 1903
            BHourihan Lurker

            Hello and thank you for this helpful information.

             

            Regards,

            Brendan

            • 3. Re: VMWare workstation version 14.1.7 host support for Windows 10 1903
              gbohn Enthusiast

              > Which quite frankly makes sense.

               

              In this case, Microsoft is pushing everyone 'forward' on their Windows 10 update treadmill, so it's relatively hard to hold back upgrading Windows in the long term. (You lose MS patch and general support faster than in the old days).

               

              So, it seems reasonable to me that they would should fix this given that they appear to still be (or at least were until recently) issuing 14 updates.

               

              This particular case aside, 1903 is starting to be pushed on those at Windows 10 1803 as I understand it. If that's the case, you would have to actively try to swim against the tide to avoid it.

               

              And, it still sounds like version 15 is more problematic than 14 for at least some of those reporting here in these forums...

              • 4. Re: VMWare workstation version 14.1.7 host support for Windows 10 1903
                johnnye Novice

                Well, stopping the updates from happening isn't really an option in my company, so that means either splashing out on v15 or switching to hyper-v, neither of which are ideal. I'll try and work round it for a week or two and then make a decision. Thanks for the info though.

                • 5. Re: VMWare workstation version 14.1.7 host support for Windows 10 1903
                  wila Guru
                  vExpertCommunity WarriorsUser Moderators

                  Hi,

                   

                  I hear you, but I don't work for VMware and just relay with what I have seen happening in the past.

                   

                  As Microsoft will indeed be pushing out the updates now and as Windows 10 Home users delaying the update is problematic (it can be done apparently, but only if they are on 18.03 and it isn't the default) I agree with you that Workstation 14 -which is not yet end of life- should add support for Windows 19.03

                  However that's all opinion and speculation.

                   

                  Perhaps Mikero can chime in with some more details?

                   

                  Edit: I take that back. VMware Workstation 14 _is_ end of life since 2019/03/26.

                  More details here: https://www.vmware.com/content/dam/digitalmarketing/vmware/en/pdf/support/product-lifecycle-matrix.pdf

                   

                  Edit 2: re. Workstation 15 is more problematic according to the forums. The forums don't give you the best view of how well the product works, people only come here when they have a problem. From what I can see as a daily visitor of the forums since 2006 it is not worse than Workstation 14.

                  --

                  Wil

                  | Author of Vimalin. The virtual machine Backup app for VMware Desktop Products
                  | Vimalin : Automated backups for VMware Fusion and VMware Workstation Professional
                  | More info at https://www.vimalin.com
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                  • 6. Re: VMWare workstation version 14.1.7 host support for Windows 10 1903
                    Mikero Master
                    VMware Employees

                    Yah, we're in a tough spot here.

                    "Supporting Windows 10" doesn't mean the same thing that "supporting Windows 7" did.

                     

                    Previously we could maintain support for a given OS for many years.

                    Now, OS vendors are making very fundamental changes to the underpinnings of the OS every 6 months...

                    It's a multi-full-time-engineer gig just to keep up. (and not "jr." engineer either...)

                    Backporting some of the adjustments we have to make is often not tenable because of the size and scope of the changes that we need to make just to keep up, which puts us in a weird predicament.

                     

                     

                    We've been working through how to help our customers through this, but we'd be interested in hearing from the community about how folks would like to see us handle the situation.

                    • 7. Re: VMWare workstation version 14.1.7 host support for Windows 10 1903
                      johnnye Novice

                      Mikero, I feel your pain! I hadn't spotted that Workstation 14 was end of life (thanks wila) so I can understand if VMWare choose not to backport the fix.

                       

                      The problem I have is that it is difficult to justify continuously purchasing vmwware licences just because Windows has changed, both financially and technically. For us, the development environment needs to be kept fairly stable which is one of the strong arguments for using VMs in the first place. Having said that, we update Visual Studio every few years so it's not like it is set in stone.

                       

                      As I said previously, I need to give it some time and consider what is the best approach for my development team. I would mention though that the easiest way to lose customers is to make them question their decision to use your software when normally they wouldn't give it a second thought. Right now, I don't envy you your job ;-)

                      • 8. Re: VMWare workstation version 14.1.7 host support for Windows 10 1903
                        gbohn Enthusiast

                        > The problem I have is that it is difficult to justify continuously purchasing vmwware licenses just because Windows has changed, both financially and technically.

                         

                        > ..., but we'd be interested in hearing from the community about how folks would like to see us handle the situation.

                         

                        Well, I'd like to see a compatibility update for Workstation 14 :-) .

                         

                        I have several licenses that I pay for with my own personal funds and having to upgrade all of them solely because Windows 10 'upgrades' are being forced on us is an unpleasant pill to swallow...

                         

                        It's giving me pause to consider my alternatives.

                        • 9. Re: VMWare workstation version 14.1.7 host support for Windows 10 1903
                          BHourihan Lurker

                          We decided to no longer use the product (VMWare workstation specifically). VmWare does not allow for some kind of maintenance protection option and the constant quarterly (costly) forklift just isn't going to work any longer.

                          • 10. Re: VMWare workstation version 14.1.7 host support for Windows 10 1903
                            RDPetruska Guru
                            User ModeratorsvExpert

                            VmWare does not allow for some kind of maintenance protection option

                            I have purchased a Silver Support maintenance contract for my personal Workstation license for the past 12 or more years. 

                            • 11. Re: VMWare workstation version 14.1.7 host support for Windows 10 1903
                              eSatie Lurker

                              Just tried to upgrade to 1903 but windows itself tells me, that there are problems with Workstation 14.

                               

                              Is that problem still not solved?

                              Should that be really the only so called "solution" to upgrade to a new vmware workstation version?

                              Looking at problems with newer linux kernels and their solutions, it looks as if the core of version 15 and 14 are quite similar.

                               

                              Everything worked for me with version 14, so why should i be forced to upgrade?

                              Wasn't there written something about Windows 10 compatible?

                               

                              SH

                              • 12. Re: VMWare workstation version 14.1.7 host support for Windows 10 1903
                                RDPetruska Guru
                                vExpertUser Moderators

                                Wasn't there written something about Windows 10 compatible?

                                Unfortunately, Microsoft has gone the way of this stupid "x-as-a-service" sales model, so they can rip off more customers make more money.  Windows 10 is not Windows 10 is not Windows 10 anymore.  Unlike EVERY other past OS, they morph this one every so often, and it's no longer the same base OS.  Prior, they released an OS and then patches and even Service Packs, but it was still the same base OS.  With "Windows 10", there are different versions throughout its lifecycle, and it is no longer the same.  Software companies must make updates to their applications as a result, and (as Mikero said above) - it's not like saying "We Support Windows 7".

                                It's time for us consumers to boycott all of these companies selling us "software as a service" and see it for what it is - a money grab!

                                • 13. Re: VMWare workstation version 14.1.7 host support for Windows 10 1903
                                  eSatie Lurker

                                  True, this constant platform updates is something Microsoft is responsible for.

                                  But coming back to VMWare: Nowhere on the product description was mentioned: runs only until the next major version comes out.

                                  And even worse: Nowhere is written, even for version 15 with what version support will end. And there's literaly every year a new windows 10 version.

                                  Meaning you're loosing completely control over your investment, cause you don't know, and even vmware doesn't tell you, if the purchased product will run some month, a year or some years, and that is ridiculous!

                                  It seems as if vmware itself wants to teach their customers to look for a different product, cause i would call myself stupid to pay for an upgrade to 15, not knowing if the next windows 10 version, probably coming up end of this or start of next year, will break support, and i can upgrade again.

                                  • 14. Re: VMWare workstation version 14.1.7 host support for Windows 10 1903
                                    wila Guru
                                    Community WarriorsUser ModeratorsvExpert

                                    Hi,

                                     

                                    The problem is that VMware has no control over if Microsoft will introduce a change to a new Windows 10 version that breaks VMware.

                                    Until Windows 10 that was actually quite a rare event, nowadays with Windows 10 it is pretty common for Microsoft to make a change that breaks VMware Workstation.

                                     

                                    The way it works is that as long as the VMware product is not end of life around the time of the next Windows 10 release, then VMware will/should bring out a new version of Workstation that supports this Windows 10 version. At least that is how it has worked in the past.

                                     

                                    So the thing to take into account is the Life Cycle document:

                                    https://www.vmware.com/content/dam/digitalmarketing/vmware/en/pdf/support/product-lifecycle-matrix.pdf

                                     

                                     

                                    While the latest Windows 10 is called "1903" that's not when they released it, it was released in May 2019. Which -unfortunately- is 2 months after VMware Workstation 14 went End Of Life.

                                    I expect the same type of release schedule for release 2003... and -yes- Workstation 15 is end of life in May again.

                                    If you want the full 18 months of service out of VMware Workstation then the trick is to buy early, otherwise you have to be lucky or stay on the older Windows 10 train for a bit longer.

                                    --

                                    Wil

                                    | Author of Vimalin. The virtual machine Backup app for VMware Desktop Products
                                    | Vimalin : Automated backups for VMware Fusion and VMware Workstation Professional
                                    | More info at https://www.vimalin.com
                                    | Twitter @wilva
                                    | VMware Wiki at http://www.vi-toolkit.com
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