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      • 15. Re: workstation 12 has no unity mode for linux hosts or guests
        mfelker Expert

        I agree completely in fact that's just what I said. If VMware is smart I'd suggest they spin off their Linux stuff into an opensource company.  In a way that's happening what with open-v-tools. The vmware-install.pl script to install vmware-tools now suggests you use the open-vm-tools for the Linux distro guest you are using. This would put VMware in better graces with both the open-source community and Microsoft.

        Interestingly I've now noticed that Virtualbox/Oracle is doing something similar with Virtualbox additions - I messed up openSUSE Tumbleweed VB by using Virtualbox tools rather the Os specific open-vm-tools.

        • 16. Re: workstation 12 has no unity mode for linux hosts or guests
          Faize Enthusiast

          I'm pretty sure the main reason why Linux is still around is because it's important on ESXi, which I've heard shares parts of its codebase with Workstation. I mean, Workstation-only features such as Easy Install for Linux guests have either stagnated or gotten worse while features which also have an enterprise audience like SSD detection and optimization work equally well for both Windows and Linux.

          • 17. Re: workstation 12 has no unity mode for linux hosts or guests
            aleksanderkamenik Lurker

            This sucks, agreed. Just downgraded back to Player 7 (licensed) due to this. I need Unity with a Windows host for Linux guest. Of course I had telemetry disabled, company policy and I would do it on a personal PC anyway. Nobody likes spying.

             

            The key for Workstation 12 Player they sent me didn't work anyway.

             

            At previous job I used the opposite combination, Linux host with Windows guest in Unity mode for corporate stuff like Outlook etc.

            • 18. Re: workstation 12 has no unity mode for linux hosts or guests
              matthewls Hot Shot

              Yeah, I wanted the OS/2 host too. Meanwhile, virtualbox 5.0.4 seems pretty good (no serious testing, and it doesn't do windows 10 unity mode either). Next stop, XEN.

              • 19. Re: workstation 12 has no unity mode for linux hosts or guests
                mfelker Expert

                "Easy install" has never worked for me with Linux guests - any distro including Ubuntu variants.  Changing the subject slightly I have come across an interesting distro which just may work with WS 11 on Linux. It is openSUSE Leaf (also known as openSUSE 42.x).  It is a cross of code base between SLES and Tumbleweed which includes the 4.9 gcc compiler (5.2 is an option) and kernel 4.1.x.  I'll test installing Milestone 2 (GA is abou 55 days away) when I get back from a trip - hoping they don't upgrade the kernel or comiler.  If it does I'll restore my Windows 10 pariition and dual boot with SUSE.  Leaf works great as a guest OS under WS 11/Windows 10 host.

                • 20. Re: workstation 12 has no unity mode for linux hosts or guests
                  joemck Lurker

                  Seriously? Log me as another loyal user refusing the update and planning to jump ship to VirtualBox when Player 7 becomes obsolete.

                   

                  I understand how difficult it is to support, what with all the different desktop environments in Linux. But remove the feature? Seriously? Just leave it in and put a note saying it may not work as expected in all situations, and is unsupported. Please, give us an unsupported and imperfect feature rather than taking it away altogether.

                  • 21. Re: workstation 12 has no unity mode for linux hosts or guests
                    stephenhowellvce Novice

                    I've been using VMware workstation since the early 5 and 6 releases. Unity was the reason why, as I develop on Linux but am forced to run Outlook.

                     

                    From the inside VMware never really supported Linux on desktops, you were on your own if you ran that and the IT department was a regular corporate IT organisation with little understanding of anything non-Windows, they struggled to support Mac too. Obviously the Mac market is better publicity tho, so that explains that....

                     

                    Now I guess it's time to try VirtualBox. I've looked in the past when Workstation was beset by late updates and incompatibilities with kernel drivers. These problems would kill my WS install (on Ubuntu LTS of all things) for days and I've had to roll-back every upgrade to workstation, research the bug I had for a few days and then re-try. Every single upgrade to Workstation.

                    • 22. Re: workstation 12 has no unity mode for linux hosts or guests
                      rayblack Novice

                      Been using Workstation since version 2, just about to purchase the NZ$200+ upgrade when I decided to check the forums, boy am I glad. I was stymied by the debacle when the Tools stopped working on Linux for some 4 months and at that time decided to go with VirtualBox, I figured that if they had problems at least I wasn't out of pocket, decided, against my better judgement to give VMware another shot, however after reading quite a few of the threads here I have decided to save my money, I'll stick with my version 11 and concentrate more on VB which has worked well for me so far. Thanks for the heads up on the non advance of WS.

                       

                      Ray

                      • 23. Re: workstation 12 has no unity mode for linux hosts or guests
                        DaenksEV Lurker

                        With this move VMware continues along the trend of alienating their most hardcore supporters.

                         

                        R.I.P. I say.

                        • 24. Re: workstation 12 has no unity mode for linux hosts or guests
                          matthewls Hot Shot

                          Well, it does feel the same way as when IBM started backing away from OS/2. I suspect that Linux workstation users represent such a tiny fraction of VMware's revenues that their cost/benefit estimate makes all but  system administration of virtual servers, etc., a money losing proposition.

                           

                          Many companies follow a developmental trajectory that  starts small with technical goals, amazing innovation, and growth supported by hardcore users that transitions into the kind of larger, publicly held corporation whose main goal is financial survival and shareholder benefit. With open source, the goal is advancing technical excellence--the product is the goal.  I'd guess that VMware's Workstation for Linux engineers are disappointed with the current choices too.

                           

                          The good news is that VMware has contributed to Linux development and provided open source code, including (I'm guessing some of this)  KVM,  virtual graphics kernel modules, WINE development, etc.. I don't know anything about code sharing between  VMware and Oracle, but VirtualBox has become quite good and in some ways handier than Workstation. For example, you can pause a VB guest in seamless ("unity") mode. VB does not now support seamless windows 10, but otherwise windows 10 works well. And it's open source with hardcore enthusiasts pushing it forward. It may be where more of the hardcore lives, virtually.

                           

                          Thanks to VMware for all the good years!

                          • 25. Re: workstation 12 has no unity mode for linux hosts or guests
                            totmann Lurker

                            How sad to get to know the fact after lots of digging up and googling...Just downgraded to WS11

                            • 26. Re: workstation 12 has no unity mode for linux hosts or guests
                              GrayGeek Lurker

                              I know that this is not going to make any difference or change the VMWARE policy and/or its business decisions,  But, I still need to mention how and when  the VMWARE started.   The first VMWARE product (I do not remember its name) was announced back in 1998  OpenSource World - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. It ran  on LINUX only.  Six to eight months later they had MS WINDOWS version ready.  So,  originally  the product was developed on linux. Why ? The source code for LINUX kernel was available.  It was easier for them to write a kernel driver.  For long time the company was very friendly to Linux people. They had , so called , student pricing, Upgrade for personal use was affordable.  Later on (2004 ???)  the management (ownership ??) changed and  Linux support started down spiralling  slowly but steadily. It is really a time  to switch to  Oracle's Virtual Box.

                              • 27. Re: workstation 12 has no unity mode for linux hosts or guests
                                GrayGeek Lurker

                                ADDENDUM:

                                I could not make WINDOWS XP running on VMWARE for Linux. The XP started and immediately went into reboot mode (looping). This was the  VMWARE's straw that broke camel's back.  I am done with VMWARE for good. Installed VirtualBox, followed with WINDOWS XP. Everything worked out of the box.

                                • 28. Re: workstation 12 has no unity mode for linux hosts or guests
                                  janvanveldhuizen Lurker

                                  Damn...

                                   

                                  This was one of the features I loved. I am running Windows guests on Ubuntu.

                                  I am considering migrating my machines to VirtualBox which can do this out of the box for free.

                                  • 29. Re: workstation 12 has no unity mode for linux hosts or guests
                                    burnbrighter Novice

                                    Is there a place I can express my enthusiasm for bringing unity support for linux back to the product?

                                     

                                    I want to keep a positive note to this thread, but at the same time let VMWare know that I had to downgrade my license from my newly purchased workstation pro 12 to 11 to get the unity feature back for Ubuntu 14.04.  Unity (Ubuntu version) with Unity (VMWare version) has been a challenge for some time in Workstation, but one I was willing to figure out.  This feature is essential to many people stuck in the corporate world with windows, but needing linux development features in their environment.  I can think of no better way to run an IDE such as Eclipse on top of windows without unity.

                                     

                                    Anyways, thanks guys for your hard work, but PLEASE bring back this important feature.  I don't want to be stuck on WS 11 for the rest of my life.

                                     

                                    Cheers,

                                    ~kvs