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    vSphere 5 Licensing

    SuperSpike Enthusiast

      I took a minute to read the licensing guide for vSphere 5 and I'm still trying to pull my jaw off the floor. VMware has completely screwed their customers this time. Why?

       

      What I used to be able to do with 2 CPU licenses now takes 4. Incredible.

       

      Today

       

      BL460c G7 with 2 sockets and 192G of memory = 2 vSphere Enterprise Plus licenses
      DL585 G7 with 4 sockets and 256G of memory = 4 vSphere Enterprise Plus licenses

       

      Tomorrow

       

      BL460c G7 with 2 sockets and 192G of memory = 4 vSphere Enterprise Plus licenses
      BL585 G7 with 4 sockets and 256G of memory = 6 vSphere Enterprise Plus licenses

       


      So it's almost as if VMware is putting a penalty on density and encouraging users to buy hardware with more sockets rather than less.

       

      I get that the vRAM entitlements are for what you use, not necessarily what you have, but who buys memory and doesn't use it?

       

      Forget the hoopla about a VM with 1 TB of memory. Who in their right mind would deploy that using the new license model? It would take 22 licenses to accommodate! You could go out and buy the physical box for way less than that today, from any hardware vendor.

       

      Anyone else completely shocked by this move?

        • 1. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
          waynej Novice

          It isn't just you.  We just purchased ten dual-socket servers with 192GB RAM each (enterprise license level) and we'll need to triple our license count to be able to use all available RAM if allocated by VMs.   Ridiculous if this is true.

          • 2. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
            jbonicki Lurker

            I totally agree with you. The new licensing model is even worse on the SMB side:

             

            Today:

            2 x DL380 G7, 2 CPUs and 96 GB RAM each = Essentials Plus Kit

             

            Tomorrow:

            2 x DL380 G7, 2 CPUs and 96 GB RAM each = Standard Kit

             

            That is about 300% (yes, THREE HUNDRED PERCENT) increase in price. Good luck explaining the added cost to your boss .

             

            Take care

            jacek

            • 4. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
              waynej Novice

              I've gotten confirmation from a sales rep over the pricing change.   On top of having to buy more Ent licenses (or upgrade my current licenses to Ent+ and buy additional Ent+ licenses) I will also have to pay up for the yearly SnS costs of all the additional licenses.  $$

               

              I'm guessing the low number of replies means everyone is still in shock over the pricing changes.  I've already emailed my sales rep to show my feelings.

              • 5. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                gmitch64 Novice

                > Anyone else completely shocked by this move?

                 

                Yes, I am totally floored by it... We're going to end up with 6 dual CPU servers with 1.5TB of memory (so 12 CPU Enterprise Plus licences). With the new scheme, it looks like we're going to have to purchase an additional 20 CPU licences just to use what we have.

                 

                We were looking to move an SQL over to ESXi - it's a 256GB monster, so we were going to dedicate a host for it (it's good for DR). Rather than the 2 CPU licences we would have needed, we're going to need 6 now - just for the one server. So three times as many licences now.

                 

                Absolutely crazy.

                 

                 

                G

                • 6. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                  SeanLeyne Novice

                  I have been "digesting" the new license model for most of the afternoon, and it is giving me heartburn

                   

                  According to a "Important VMware vSpere 5.0 Licensign Changes" PDF that I received from a supplier, VMware thinks that:

                   

                  "Although it is impossible to predict the effects of the new moldel in every type of environment, the licensing model has been designed to minimize the risk of potential impacts in existing environments while also providing root for growth.  VRAM entitlements have been set to tprovide enough capacity to scale well beyond today's average consolidation ratios of 5:1.  In addition, thanks to pooling, customers will be able to share entitlements among multiple hosts, thereby making more efficient use of available capacity."

                   

                  I don't know who VMware "surveyed" to determine "average consolidation ratios" but I have read a number of articles which refer to ratios from 8:1 to 12:1!!!

                  • 7. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                    SeanLeyne Novice

                    Aside from the change, VMware has also got out the shotgun.

                     

                    New licensing does not apply to existing 4.x or prior installs, you have 30 days to decide whether to upgrade to v5, after that you will have to pay $$$ to upgrade to v5.  When you upgrade to v5, you cannot follow the existing/4.x licensing, a new v5 EULA must be accepted.

                    • 8. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                      SeanLeyne Novice

                      Wayne wrote:

                       

                      It isn't just you.  We just purchased ten dual-socket servers with 192GB RAM each (enterprise license level) and we'll need to triple our license count to be able to use all available RAM if allocated by VMs.   Ridiculous if this is true.

                      It is very true

                      • 9. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                        TysonL201110141 Novice

                        This new licensing model is going to hurt small shops the most I think. We currently have over 40 VMs running a each dual CPU 128GB RAM host.  To fully use the RAM in our servers we will have to pay 50% more that currently budgeted. Seeing as I work at a public university that is going to be fun to try and justify.

                         

                        Our team prefers vSphere over HyperV but with this new pricing we might be forced to switch.

                         

                        I really wonder who VMware talked to about this to come up with the opinion that it isn't going to affect most of their users.

                        • 10. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                          DSTAVERT Guru User Moderators

                          All licensing goes through adjustments as hardware and software capabilities change. This has happened repeatedly through the years.

                          • 11. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                            Rumple Master

                            welcome to the world of screwage that those of us running cloud environments have suffered with already.  Now you feel our pain.

                             

                            With the introduction of VMware vSphere 5, VMware is evolving
                            the product’s licensing model to give customers the opportunity
                            to move to a more cloud-like, “pay for consumption” approach 
                            to IT.

                             

                            Instead of realizing the Microsoft licensing is way way way cheaper to run a cloud on (and lets face it...good enough in 90% of the cases), they decided they figure those of us who use vmware might as well all pay the same.  its a way to have people running inhouse vmware environments realize its no cheaper and they might as well use someone else instead of doing it inhouse...

                             

                            While that might benefit me..it still screws everyone when Microsoft is doing it cheaper.

                             

                            EDIT - I've read through this and one interesting thing between VSPP and Traditional licensing stands out (at least until they update the vspp program guide).

                            VSPP is based on active UTILIZED memory...not ALLOCATED memory...therefore I could easily and cost effectively let the customers who want 24gb of ram on a server (but use 3 of it) actually have what they want and just oversubscribe their memory to hell.

                             

                            Thats all about to change...however, with change comes opportunity...at least for microsoft because most people won't stomack these types of price changes for long.

                             

                            I hope your watching vmware because you are about to see a flury of exodus coming your way...hope that new finance Manager you hired has a good resume...

                            • 12. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                              SeanLeyne Novice

                              Mark Hodges wrote:

                               

                              EDIT - I've read through this and one interesting thing between VSPP and Traditional licensing stands out (at least until they update the vspp program guide).

                              VSPP is based on active UTILIZED memory...not ALLOCATED memory...therefore I could easily and cost effectively let the customers who want 24gb of ram on a server (but use 3 of it) actually have what they want and just oversubscribe their memory to hell.

                              VSPP???

                              • 13. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                                waynej Novice

                                VSSP = VMware Service Provider Program

                                • 14. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                                  Rumple Master

                                  Vmware service provider program...basically the cloud program for multitenant environments...

                                   

                                  They changed to this vram model last year...

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