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1. Re: AMD users getting forced into Enterprise Plus?
Troy Clavell Dec 16, 2010 12:57 PM (in response to taylorb)you can still use Enterprise, but the remaining cores per, will be masked out after 6.
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2. Re: AMD users getting forced into Enterprise Plus?
khughes Dec 16, 2010 1:01 PM (in response to taylorb)Obviously the licensing scheme will have to change at some point when the low end hardware will be coming out with 8+ cores in the coming years. I don't think Intel will phase out its quad-core as fast as AMD apparently is so I suspect the licensing scheme wont change until Intel phases out its 4 core CPUs.
Like Troy said you can still buy the hardware and ESX just wont use the remaining Cores, but then again why pay for that hardware when you wont use it.
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3. Re: AMD users getting forced into Enterprise Plus?
taylorb Dec 16, 2010 1:12 PM (in response to taylorb)I might just have to run them as 6-cores because the memory is much cheaper for the newer architecture, like thousands cheaper for a 64-128Gb setup.
Anyone know what an upgrade from Enterprise to Ent. Plus costs?
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4. Re: AMD users getting forced into Enterprise Plus?
khughes Dec 16, 2010 1:18 PM (in response to taylorb)Depending on your vendor, probably around 600-800$ I believe
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5. Re: AMD users getting forced into Enterprise Plus?
taylorb Dec 16, 2010 1:22 PM (in response to khughes)That's not terrible, I guess. I am still a little peeved about the situation, though! It wouldn't be so bad if ESX 4.1 wasn't so buggy compared to previous releases.
Thanks guys.
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6. Re: AMD users getting forced into Enterprise Plus?
Dave.Mishchenko Dec 16, 2010 1:26 PM (in response to taylorb)I haven't tried this myself, but you can combine CPU licenses to cover the 6+ cores - http://www.vmware.com/download/eula/multicore.html.
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7. Re: AMD users getting forced into Enterprise Plus?
dquintana Dec 16, 2010 1:26 PM (in response to taylorb)Hello Taylorb
Here you have a link to the vmware pricing site but you can select a partner in your region if you want to understand better the differences.
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8. Re: AMD users getting forced into Enterprise Plus?
taylorb Dec 16, 2010 1:40 PM (in response to Dave.Mishchenko)I haven't tried this myself, but you can combine CPU licenses to cover the 6+ cores - http://www.vmware.com/download/eula/multicore.html.
Ooh, I would be using the dual 8 core box to replace two dual 4-core boxes, so that would actually work for me. Thanks. I guess if I ever needed the license back I could upgrade one or both to Plus.
I can sort of see where VMware is coming from as these new boxes are going to be able to replace a lot of individual hosts. I was just checking out a DL585 G7 and you can configure that with 384GB of RAM and 48 Cores for under $40k. Two of those with ESX could pretty much run most mid sized companies!
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9. Re: AMD users getting forced into Enterprise Plus?
taylorb Dec 16, 2010 2:58 PM (in response to khughes)Upgrade is actually $2300 per CPU including 1y production level support. Not too cheap for a 2-4 CPU server.
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10. Re: AMD users getting forced into Enterprise Plus?
ThompsG Dec 19, 2010 7:38 PM (in response to taylorb)Hi,
I know this is off topic but something to think about before purchasing uber servers for VMware is the scaling up vs scaling out argument. While you could run your entire environment from 2 of these servers, would you want to? If you only have the two and one goes down then you drop 50% of your environment whereas if you have more less spec'd servers then you might only drop 33% or less of your environment. Another thing to contemplate is maintenance - I work on a N+1(+1) rule so if I have host out for maintenance and lose a host production continues. Another reason is to do with maintenance contracts, not sure what others do but we don't purchase additional hardware maintenance for our hosts. By having additional hosts in the cluster we can afford to have a ESX server down for an extended period while parts are replaced during work hours.
Just something to think about.
Kind regards,
Glen
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11. Re: AMD users getting forced into Enterprise Plus?
taylorb Feb 1, 2011 1:47 PM (in response to ThompsG)These aren't "uber-servers". These are basic DL385 2U servers from HP. Minimum spec is 8 core now.
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12. Re: AMD users getting forced into Enterprise Plus?
ThompsG Feb 1, 2011 2:06 PM (in response to taylorb)Hi TaylorB,
Sorry this was referring to this comment -
I was just checking out a DL585 G7 and you can configure that with 384GB of RAM and 48 Cores for under $40k. Two of those with ESX could pretty much run most mid sized companies!
Not the DL385's.Kind regards,
Glen
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13. Re: AMD users getting forced into Enterprise Plus?
taylorb Feb 1, 2011 3:48 PM (in response to ThompsG)I guess that is the peril of digging up weeks' old threads. You forget what you were talking about!