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    VDR 1.2 Reliability

    dustinn3 Novice

      Just curious if VDR 1.2 is improved over previous versions.  I tried using all the previous versions and couldn't get any of them to work consistently.  They would backup for a few days, then suddenly they would start failing and eventually all my backups would get corrupted.  Consistency checks would take days.  Supports only resolution was to reboot the VDR appliance and delete the restore points.  I've been burned so far, so I'm hesitant to try it again until it's a bit more mature.

        • 1. Re: VDR 1.2 Reliability
          athlon_crazy Master

          So far so good for us. Performance wise it's acceptable, no corrupted issue except for unclean snapshot when got power failure and integrity check so far better than previous release.

           

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          • 2. Re: VDR 1.2 Reliability
            aarondovetail Enthusiast

            I've had issues with mine, I'd let it run for a few days then it gets completely hosed up. The appliance would also crash over and over and never complete a re-index.

             

            Today I just blew everything away, the appliance and the backup destinations I was using. I re-deployed a new appliance and created 2 new backup destinations (windows shares) and I'm going to start from scratch to see if it helps.

             

            It does seem to be very finicky and slow in general? I was backup up 4 VMs at once a little while ago and I never saw the network traffic go above 24MB/sec, and more like averaged around 12-15MB/sec.

            • 3. Re: VDR 1.2 Reliability
              aarondovetail Enthusiast

              On this new appliance I also reduced the number of backup tasks at once time to 4, from 8. 8 seems like a pretty high number to be happening at once. I gave the appliance 4 vCPUs instead of 2 and 3GB of memory also. With 4 backup tasks running at once its easily maxing out the 4 vCPUs and memory, so maybe having 8 running at once was overloading it and causing it to get screwed up? no idea.

              • 4. Re: VDR 1.2 Reliability
                ChrisDearden Expert
                vExpert

                 

                Don't forget you can install multiple VDR appliances with 1.2 so you dont have to load up a single appliance. I dont use it for day to day backups , but its a great additional layer for some ad-hoc backups as an alternative to a long running snapshot. Lack of reporting is a dissapointment though.

                 

                @chrisdearden

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                • 5. Re: VDR 1.2 Reliability
                  John4567 Novice

                  I'm so angry at VDR 1.2 that I registered here so I could rant ....

                   

                  It is... in a word... shit.

                   

                  Stupid thing does nothing but fail to backup VM's, eat resources, crash and generally make a mess of things.  Deleted it last night, this damn thing should be in beta testing or something.

                   

                  /end rant.

                   

                  -John

                  • 6. Re: VDR 1.2 Reliability
                    aarondovetail Enthusiast

                    Well it already blew up -- New appliance, new server and backup points and I'm only backing up like 10 VMs..

                     

                    This product is like alpha stage or something

                     

                    10/5/2010 5:01:46 PM: Integrity check failed for the restore point created on 10/4/2010 10:03:26 PM for Mahogany

                    10/5/2010 5:01:46 PM: Integrity check failed for the restore point created on 10/4/2010 3:30:04 PM for DB7

                    10/5/2010 5:01:46 PM: Integrity check failed for the restore point created on 10/4/2010 7:00:13 PM for DB10

                    10/5/2010 5:01:46 PM: Integrity check failed for the restore point created on 10/4/2010 4:04:39 PM for Mahogany

                    10/5/2010 5:01:46 PM: Integrity check failed for the restore point created on 10/4/2010 7:00:11 PM for DB7

                    10/5/2010 5:01:46 PM: Integrity check failed for the restore point created on 10/4/2010 7:00:08 PM for DB6

                    10/5/2010 5:01:47 PM: Integrity check failed for the restore point created on 10/4/2010 4:45:46 PM for DB10

                    10/5/2010 5:01:47 PM: Backup Set "/db13.dovetaildmz.local/vmbackup2/" will be locked until the restore point with errors are deleted and integrity check succeeds.

                    • 7. Re: VDR 1.2 Reliability
                      nathanw Enthusiast

                       

                      I have deployed 3 appliances for a few weeks now, so far so good.

                       

                       

                      Very distressing however to hear of these issues will keep an eye on it

                       

                       

                      • 8. Re: VDR 1.2 Reliability
                        SylvainLanglade Novice

                         

                        I tend to agree with other users complaining about strange behaviors. VDR 1.2 is really more stable and usable than previous versions, but some things tend to really be awkward : 

                         

                        • integrity checks that hang without any possibility to cancel, requiring a VDR reboot

                        • cryptic warnings and error, without any details

                        • older restore points suddenly declared as damaged

                         

                        The last point is really frightening : how doing a backup can possibly do some damage to older ones that were declared perfectly clean the day before ? what does that tell about deduplicate store stability ?..

                         

                         

                        So, all in all, it really could be a great product for those of us with small installations and small needs. Juste need a bit of polish,so I could have more confidence in using it.

                         

                         

                        Cheers.

                         

                         

                        • 9. Re: VDR 1.2 Reliability
                          aarondovetail Enthusiast

                          Yeah having corrupted backups isn't a good thing, mine is running fine for the moment (I had to delete a number of backups and start fresh on a few VMs). If it messes up again then I'm going back to the old way.

                           

                          I have a small installation with 3 hosts and 25 VMs, if it can't keep up with this then certainly no bigger company could use this product?

                          • 10. Re: VDR 1.2 Reliability
                            RParker Guru

                            I've been burned so far, so I'm hesitant to try it again until it's a bit more mature.

                             

                            Better.. .... umm.. ok yes.  For SOME things.  VDR 1.0 was like a negative response, like -10.  VDR 1.1 was even worse, they fixed some things, but other things were broken.  So now its -20.

                             

                            VDR 1.2 is a BIT better, they fixed the things that SHOULD have worked in the first place, so as far as I am concerned we are at ZERO, which means they are STILL well below other products.

                             

                            Backup is too important to be guessing if they are going to work or not, or be there when you need them.. and not run out of space.  Still lacking many many features that we need like..oh.. REPORTING and NOTIFICATION (VM Ware what were they thinking?!?!?!?).

                             

                            So it's FINALLY moving in the right direction, but before you decide is satisfactory, I would investigate Veeam, vizioncore, and esXpress BEFORE I give VDR another try.  That's my 2 cents.

                            • 11. Re: VDR 1.2 Reliability
                              RParker Guru

                              Don't forget you can install multiple VDR appliances with 1.2 so you dont have to load up a single appliance.

                               

                              Yes, that's just terrific, so instead of baby sitting and reinstalling 1 VDR now you have to baby sit and reinstall multiples...not a good solution.  You should not have to keep installing and reinstall for it to work, that's just not a good solution at all.

                               

                              Lack of reporting is a dissapointment though.

                               

                              Yes, and That should have been a MINIMUM requirement for backups.  I mean come on.. some products are EXPECTED to be there with software.  Accounting needs ledger and balance sheets.  Database needs cache and memory tweaking... backup NEEDS reporting.. It's almost comical (if it weren't so sad) this product was designed by first year programmers as their first project.  It's totally ridiculous how bad this product was designed, and to think they PAID for this privilege.. amazing.

                               

                              It's like if VDR was a car, it would be missing the speedometer and warning lights, the transmission would have 1 gear (3rd, no second or first) and only 1 person allowed to sit in the back.  Reverse was added as an AFTER thought (VDR 1.1) and the consumer had to TELL them this...  When the car stops, you need to restart it by getting out, removing the battery cable, reconnecting, and trying again. The tires wouldn't be standard bolts, and you would have to find a tool (that's not out yet) to change the tires.  It's a REALLY crazy design.

                              • 12. Re: VDR 1.2 Reliability
                                RParker Guru

                                Deleted it last night, this damn thing should be in beta testing or something.

                                 

                                We agree, not even beta, it's like PRE-Alpha.

                                • 13. Re: VDR 1.2 Reliability
                                  jasoncllsystems Hot Shot

                                  Free one no good.  Good one no free.

                                   

                                   






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                                  • 14. Re: VDR 1.2 Reliability
                                    aarondovetail Enthusiast

                                    Ok I'm convinced now, this product sucks. I've tried new appliances, new servers for backup destinations, changing the schedules and once again it's hosed up. It's been running fine for about 4 days and I checked this morning and both of my backup destinations are totally hosed with integrity errors on multiple backup points. Bye bye VDR

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