6 Replies Latest reply on Sep 30, 2009 5:36 PM by AlbertWT

    VMFS vs raw data mappings in windows 2008.

    queensbridgeitteam Novice

      Hi

       

      I am confused and wanted to get some opinions on this topic.

       

      Currently in the process of migrating an existing physical file server

      onto a virtual machine in ESX4.0. This servers primary role is to

      manage home directories for all users and roaming profiles for all

      users .

       

      I unsure once migrated to a VM which storage topology would give me the

      best performance VM as a VMFS volume or to use raw data mappings.

       

      Would I be better importing it as a VM and then the VM will be in a

      VMFS storage type or creating a new VM but creating an extra local disk

      and using raw data mappings so this disk is accessed directly to the

      SAN?

       

      I believe the second option would give the best performance but am unsure.

       

      Are other techs in a similar position, can one recommend one over the

      other? I assume also option 1 would be more easier to manage also.

       

      Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

        • 1. Re: VMFS vs raw data mappings in windows 2008.
          azn2kew Champion

          Technically speaking, VMFS vs. RDM isn't give you much performance boost but just marginal only and if its for file server I would use RDM especially you're already have RDM attached to it.  If you want, you can use P2V Converter to automatically convert RDM drives to VMDK during the conversion.  If you need to keep RDM, then just P2V the server without the drive and then map the RDM to the newly P2V'ed machine and keep it that way.  If you need MSCS features, then RDM is required for this purpose, but some people prefer to manage everything under VMFS for flexibility.  Read performance details here http://www.virtualization.info/2008/02/benchmarks-vmware-vmfs-vs-raw-disk.html and http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/vmfs_rdm_perf.pdf

           

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          Regards,

           

          Stefan Nguyen

          VMware vExpert 2009

          iGeek Systems Inc.

          VMware, Citrix, Microsoft Consultant

          • 2. Re: VMFS vs raw data mappings in windows 2008.
            mreferre Virtuoso

            This is a topic that every other days pops up on the forum.

             

            My opinion is that this isn't (or shouldn't be) so much a performance debate as the differences between the two are supposed to be negligible. If I look at the architecture of the hypervisor (see first picture in this post for example: http://it20.info/blogs/main/archive/2007/06/17/25.aspx) I would lead to the conclusion that the vast majority of the virtualization overhead happens within the stack that runs on the server. The fact that at the very end of the chain you have a VMFS file system (by the way optimized for managing large files) or a raw partitions .... well I am not sure how much difference it could make.

             

            So in my opinion you might want to use RDMs for tactical reasons (i.e. MSCS type of things as Stefan was mentioning or other scenarios where you need to have an "intimate relationship" with the storage). For everything else, as you pointed out, the value of encapsulation by far exceed the little perf gain you might get out of RDMs.

             

            Again, this is juts my opinion.

             

            Massimo.

            • 3. Re: VMFS vs raw data mappings in windows 2008.
              savantsingh Hot Shot

               

              As mentioned earlier in this post performance is not something you should keep in consideration in case of a file server. If the VM was running a very high IO application i would have suggested RDM not to say that a VMFS would have been an bad option<depends on the scenario>.

               

               

              Now the things which you should consider are:

               

               

              1> What storage is the file server using right now.. if its on the same fabric probably it is easier for you to advertise those LUNS on the host mount them as RDMs. This would help if you are upgrading the file server from 03 to 08 as convertor would not be an option.

               

               

              2>How big is your file server on storage level. If its larger than 1-2TB whats the fun creating a VMFS volume to just hold that file server. RDM would be a better way to go.

               

               

              3> Would you be using MSCS?? If yes you would have to use RDM's in that case. You would get better flexibility in case of 2008 as it can support a bigger basic disk for the cluster.

               

               

              Hope these points help. let me know if you have further questions.

               

               

                  

               

               

              • 4. Re: VMFS vs raw data mappings in windows 2008.
                AlbertWT Master

                 

                How about in using Paravirtualized Controller in Windows Server 2008 (not in R2 as it was hangs as i tried.) ? i heard that it can boost up your speed.

                 

                 

                But I'm not sure if Paravirtual can be combined with the RDM.

                 

                 

                 

                Kind Regards,

                AWT

                 

                 

                • 5. Re: VMFS vs raw data mappings in windows 2008.
                  rmagoon Enthusiast

                  In this scenario, you probably want RDMs because you can simply convert the OS volumes and swing the data drives over.  This will save significant time and provide the same performance.  You'll also want to ensure your file share permissions are restored after conversion.  This is because the drive letters would ultimately be removed and re-added.

                  • 6. Re: VMFS vs raw data mappings in windows 2008.
                    AlbertWT Master

                     

                    Great, thanks for the reply now I understandthe big picture of using RDM.

                     

                     

                     

                     

                     

                    Kind Regards,

                    AWT