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Managing a VM that vCenter is running on

I use ESXi Essentials v5.5, and have 3 hosts, 5 VMs - a small setup.  I don't have vCenter installed yet, but want to do this to get familiar with the Web Client.  If I install vCenter on a VM, is it possible to shutdown that VM and manage the machine, upgrade virtual hardware, etc?  I am not clear if I would be able to do this if vCenter isn't running.  I am under the impression that vCenter (and/or SSO) needs to validate the credentials of the Web Client.

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That is not true.  It was reported at VMworld 2014 that the C# client will still be supported in vSphere 6.  I have also been evaluating the beta and release candidate of vsphere 6 and they both have a C# client.

Yes, you will not be able to manage the vCenter VM with the web client once you shut down the VM, but you can still manage it with the C# client.  That is why the C# client is not going away for a while.

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You can use the C# thick client to connect directly to the ESXi hosts to manage the vm's and machines.  5.5 U2 allowed the C# thick client to modify hardware v10 VM's.

Using this method you don't have to worry about having SSO, Inventory Service and vCenter online.

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I realize I can use the C# Windows client, but I have also read that with v6, it won't be supported at all.  I'm trying to get a handle on all this for the long haul.  So is it true that if I have vCenter installed in a VM, I wouldn't be able to manage that VM once I shut it down?  Seems like a chicken or egg quandary,

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That is not true.  It was reported at VMworld 2014 that the C# client will still be supported in vSphere 6.  I have also been evaluating the beta and release candidate of vsphere 6 and they both have a C# client.

Yes, you will not be able to manage the vCenter VM with the web client once you shut down the VM, but you can still manage it with the C# client.  That is why the C# client is not going away for a while.

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Excellent, thank you so much!  I don't have a specific need for vCenter at the present time, other than curiosity.  Good to know the "old legacy" Windows app will be with us for a while yet.

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I recently upgraded our VCSA to 5.5u2 along with the C# client. I'm still not able to edit v10 vm's. Do you happen to know if the ESXi hosts also need to be at U2?

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Ron

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