BACKGROUND
I did the pre-order and installed on my mac mini. The point was to get a couple of quirky Windows only programmes going on the mac via XP.
However, after installing XP from the Dell provided XP disk that came with my Dell desktop it became clear that XP was not going to let me run another copy of XP (it goes into 30 day trial mode and then it will demand a valid user licence code which Dell won't give and MS won't allow as they only want 1 copy running on my Dell machine).
This means I can't run XP on the Mac with VMware unless I go and BUY MORE MICROSOFT XP! Given that I hate MS I don't want to spend another $ on them.
UNFAIR REFUND TERMS .... BUT I CAN WAIT
Hence I now have uninstalled VMWare and asked for a refund (and may have to wait up to 30 days until after "general release"). As a matter of principle I don't understand why I shouldn't get my money back sooner but I imagine there was some small print somewhere saying that was the deal ...... just not a very fair one. I would have expected something more "transparent" from a non-MS company. I guess I will just wait until they decide to do a general release .... but what happens if they don't?
MY REAL QUESTION IS?........
How do I check that my Mac Mini doesn't still have a virtual machine installed in some partition? When VMware uninstalled it said it would not take any virtual machines off and I remember allocating 20GB to XP.
Thanks for the help.
For what it's worth, I would have liked this one to work for me and support it.
Andrew
Dell usually sends OEM CDs with their machines. These are tied to the hardware, either technically, legally, or both. This is completely outside of VMware's control. Given that you don't like Microsoft, you may want to consider not using their products and giving other OSes (such as Linux) a try.
General availability was today. I assume the 30-day period is to make sure you actually try the GA code (which won't help in your case) and to prevent a flood of requests at the same time as a bunch of orders.
The uninstall process does not touch your virtual machines. By default, they are created in ~/Documents/Virtual Machines/; you can trash them like any other file.
Also credit card companies can process a refund right away but you won't see the money actually transfered for up to 2 weeks.
The fact that you can't install on another machine from an OEM version of XP is not only spelled out in your license agreement, it has been discussed many times here. You also had the option of installing the 30-day evaluation copy of Fusion before buying.
I fail to see how any of this is the fault of Dell or MS.
And now you say the refund terms from Vmware are unfair? I sense a pattern here.
Your issue is the unfortunate reason why I stopped purchasing already built PCs. Dell, HP, Compaq, eMachines, Sony, Toshiba, etc etc etc. They all have their own OEM Version of Windows with a special OEM key that unless you do some tweaking to the disk and do lots of research online, you cant use on any machine except what you bought it with.
Built my first custom machine when I was 14 and had Win98SE, and since then I've purchased the Windows discs from the store so I can do as I please. Course at the time I bought XP, I was a student so I got XP Pro for the XP Home Price. :smileygrin:
Anyway, my rant and raving about OEM PCs.
Etung and hobbitfoot, thanks for your response. I will find and delete the virtual machines. I assume that the "partition" process that XP went through (during the blue dos screen install) did not actually partition my mac drive.
As to my whining about terms of contracts with MS/Dell and VMware.....
My point was that the terms don't seem fair or reasonable - not that I hadn't read them. I think I am entitled to that opinion without too much challenge .... unless you happen to be paid by MS/Dell/VMware!!
BTW - I am doing my best to try other operating systems ... like I said I have a Mac and my next machine will be a Mac. I might even consider an linux pre-loaded laptop .... even if it is a Dell.
And finally ... to be clear ... I like the idea of VMware's product .... I just wish it could run windows software WITHOUT WINDOWS.
Thanks
Andrew
Check out CrossOver Mac. They do exactly that. Similar, but yet different market than VMWare.
As to my whining about terms of contracts with
MS/Dell and VMware.....
My point was that the terms don't seem fair or
reasonable - not that I hadn't read them. I think I
am entitled to that opinion without too much
challenge .... unless you happen to be paid by
MS/Dell/VMware!!
BTW - I am doing my best to try other operating
systems ... like I said I have a Mac and my next
machine will be a Mac. I might even consider an linux
pre-loaded laptop .... even if it is a Dell.
TBH, I'm amazed you got the Dell-issued XP to install at all, usually it checks for a Dell BIOS. If I was VMware, I wouldn't give you the refund, as there is nothing wrong with the product, it does what it claims to do, but that's my opinion, and I'm not paid by anyone.....
If you're interested in other OS's, keep Fusion, install Linux, and try and run your apps under WINE....
BP, I will take a look. Thanks for your guidance (again). Andrew
IscariotJ,
The Dell CD was Windows XP service pack 1a. Not sure if that makes a difference.
I couldn't disagree with you more on customer terms. I prefer to support businesses that treat customers fairly and with respect - that is how good businesses get a reputation and attract more business, consequently they should be worried about normal attrition or "hanging on to money from non-users". I don't see a great deal of respect for MS or Dell in the market for just this reason and the backlash from the opensource community and support for Linux and Apple is a direct consequence of this.
(I say this in the spirit of open debate and have tried not to personalise my argument ....... "If I was VMware, I wouldn't give you the refund")
Must go to work now and use MS product all day so am feeling grouchy.
Regards
Andrew
Maybe you could use Remote Desktop for OS X to connect to your work pc. You can then run your Windows Desktop in an OS X window. It's free and pretty useable, although it is a M$ product
kimb07
A useful tip but what I really want to do is run a legacy specialist windows application on my mac so I can ditch the old laptop. I don't think Remote Desktop will acheive this. And .... yes it is more support for M$ and that just won't do.
Andrew
5 Aug - Bought VMWare
6 Aug - Tried it and decided to ask for refund
8 Aug - Was told I had to wait for some unspecified release date to get money back (silly idea, not like they waited to bill my card)
20 Aug - Filled in web-form for refund
10 Sept - Chased as there had been no communicaton. Was told refunds handed to "third party" and use another form (would have been nice to have been told this already rather than chasing them) http://www.rebates-vmware.com/fusionmoneyback/trackrebate.do
10 Sept - I filled in the new form again with all the same detail I have given before.
11 Sept - received an email asking for the same information already given and a copy of my email invoice. I sent the information again and the invoice.
12 Sept - I got a reply saying that the outsourced service couldn't repay credit cards - "Unfortunately our Returns Center cannot process credit card/cancelled purchases."
12 Sept - Complained that this was a very unfair way of getting a simple refund.
12 Sept - Response came saying I could track my refund at http://www.rebates-vmware.com/fusionmoneyback/trackrebate.do. YOU CAN'T IT JUST ASKS FOR THE SAME INFO AGAIN.
Worse still I was then told:
"Note: Refund is made by check in U.S. dollars. Please allow 10-12 weeks to receive your refund check."
SUMMARY
\----
SENDING A PAPER CHEQUE VIA AIRMAIL IS A WASTE OF RESOURCES AND ECO-UNFRIENDLY
SENDING A USDOLLAR CHEQUE TO THE UK WHERE WE USE BRITISH POUNDS IS A JOKE. THE COST OF CASHING IT WILL BE ALMOST AS MUCH AS THE REFUND.
SENDING THE REFUND UPTO 4 MONTHS AFTER REQUESTED IS RIDICULOUS FOR AN ONLINE BUSINESS.
WHAT'S WRONG WITH A PLAIN OLD CREDIT CARD REFUND?
Perhaps its that VMWare get to hold on to my money for longer and interest rates are rising .......
yours,
severely p££sed off customer in the UK
who thought the US was supposed to lead the way in customer service.
One way to get a virtual machine out of a Dell OEM install CDs would have been to install that Windows on the Dell it was sold with, and then to convert it with VMware Converter (free), and export it to Fusion. It works.
http://www.vmware.com/download/converter/
And after that, to keep using it only on one location, remove the installation from Dell.
(maybe for future reference).
Won't you need to reactivate Windows???
I thought that would be the case.
When I converted a Dell XP Pro to a VM, and then tested the VM in Fusion and in Workstation, neither asked to reactivate it.
It may have been due to having had a vol. license.
The volume license is the key. Be sure you're complying with your volume license, of course.
5 Aug - Bought VMWare
6 Aug - Tried it and decided to ask for refund
8 Aug - Was told I had to wait for some unspecified
release date to get money back (silly idea, not like
they waited to bill my card)
20 Aug - Filled in web-form for refund
10 Sept - Chased as there had been no communicaton.
Was told refunds handed to "third party" and use
another form (would have been nice to have been told
this already rather than chasing them)
http://www.rebates-vmware.com/fusionmoneyback/trackreb
ate.do
10 Sept - I filled in the new form again with all the
same detail I have given before.
11 Sept - received an email asking for the same
information already given and a copy of my email
invoice. I sent the information again and the
invoice.
12 Sept - I got a reply saying that the outsourced
service couldn't repay credit cards -
"Unfortunately our Returns Center cannot process
credit card/cancelled purchases."
12 Sept - Complained that this was a very unfair way
of getting a simple refund.
12 Sept - Response came saying I could track my
refund at
http://www.rebates-vmware.com/fusionmoneyback/trackreb
ate.do. YOU CAN'T IT JUST ASKS FOR THE SAME INFO
AGAIN.
Worse still I was then told:
"Note: Refund is made by check in U.S. dollars.
Please allow 10-12 weeks to receive your refund
check."
SUMMARY
\--------------------
SENDING A PAPER CHEQUE VIA AIRMAIL IS A WASTE OF
RESOURCES AND ECO-UNFRIENDLY
SENDING A USDOLLAR CHEQUE TO THE UK WHERE WE USE
BRITISH POUNDS IS A JOKE. THE COST OF CASHING IT WILL
BE ALMOST AS MUCH AS THE REFUND.
SENDING THE REFUND UPTO 4 MONTHS AFTER REQUESTED IS
RIDICULOUS FOR AN ONLINE BUSINESS.
WHAT'S WRONG WITH A PLAIN OLD CREDIT CARD REFUND?
Perhaps its that VMWare get to hold on to my money
for longer and interest rates are rising .......
yours,
severely p££sed off customer in the UK
who thought the US was supposed to lead the way in
customer service.
I find this an extremely distressing story. One can quibble about why afdoughty didn't use the trial version before purchasing, but there is no excuse whatseover for treating a customer in such a slipshod and disrespectful manner.
If VMWare is going to go after the individual user, they must be prepared to offer better customer service than this. And if they are going to contract out refunds, they should do so with a company that can protect their reputation.
I've been a great fan of VMWare and Fusion from the first beta. But this really diminishes the company in my estimation.
Did you take the WinOS OEM off your laptop? If so, sure you can install it on another machine (provided your Dell media will let you). You should have a COA sticker on your dell laptop. If not you can use Jelly Bean KeyFiner (or something like that) to see what key is in use -- though if you don't have a COA your copy is of questionable legality.
As to whether or not you can transfer an OEM license, sure you can. Have to stick with original hardware? Nope, otherwise Newegg et al. selling you an OEM copy with a speaker cable or something thrown in for legality issues would do you no good at all...you can't run an OS on a speaker cable last time I checked lol.
If your dell media doesn't let you install to another machine, all you need is an offical MS OEM CD and just use your COA. Note though -- last time I checked you can not use a OEM key with a retail-version CD.
Two keys here - do you have a COA and are you going to remove it from your laptop. If both are yes then you are good to go. Sorry you are having refund issues though. I'm surprised they even offer it though. I can't think of any end-user companies that allow it right off.
On the side: If you get really desperate, you could try ReactOS. Its an open source project striving to be binary compatible with WinOS.
Did you take the WinOS OEM off your laptop? If so,
sure you can install it on another machine (provided
your Dell media will let you).
Legally, no you can't. OEM media is contractually bound to the hardware it shipped with.