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jreffner
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Snow Leopard VM on Lion? Please Help

Hello,

I read that Apple no longer requires the server versions to be virtualized on a Lion host OS and that Fusion 4 will allow you to install a Snow Leopard machine on Lion (10.7.2).  So, I bought a Fusion license for my wife since she has a new Lion iMac, and yet still has to run a PPC (Rosetta) app.  My plan is to simply run the PPC app she needs in the Snow Leopard vm with Rosetta installed.

Unfortunately though, when I inserted the general Snow Leopard install disc (10.6.3) and then opened Fusion, I selected "Create New", and then "continue".  Fusion found the Snow Leopard disc and I hit "contine" again.  Operating System was "Apple Mac OS X" and Version was either "Mac OS X Server 10.6" or "Mac OS X Server 10.6 64-bit".  Hitting "continue", "Finish" and the saving the image results in a fault occuring.

So, obviously even though Apple now allows non-Server versions to be virtualized, it looks like version of Fusion 4.0.2 doesn't since it only offers Server versions of 10.5, 10.6, 10.7.

Can anyone please tell me how to get Snow Leopard (10.6.3 client) installed within Fusion 4.0.2 on an iMac running Lion (10.7.2), and then install the optional Rosetta?

Thank you!!!!

Jim

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WoodyZ
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Unless Apple changed its SLA's in the last couple of weeks then the only Client or non-Server version of Mac OS X that can be legally virtualized is Mac OS X Lion, period!  Otherwise only Mac OS X 10.5. 10.6 and 10.7 Server versions along with 10.7 Client version and then there are restrictions on the 10.7 Client version in that if it came pre-installed you cannot virtualize it unless you purchase a separate copy either via the App Store or purchase a Mac OS X Lion Thumb Drive.

That said if you feel you have the legal right to virtualize something then do so as it can be done however until Apple explicitly and specifically states which Client version(s) other the Mac OS X 10.7 Client can be virtualized it cannot be discussed how to do it in these forums as it would violate the VMware Community Terms of Use otherwise.

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jreffner
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I'm sorry.  Either I got bad information or I misunderstood.  So the only way to run 10.6 is the server version which is $500?

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WoodyZ
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So the only way to run 10.6 is the server version which is $500?

Reread the second paragraph of my first reply.

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sanjac
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Jim,

I am walking into a gray area here, but I'll post this anyway.  I respectfully disagree with VMware's interpretation of the EULA.  Now I am not an attorney but I believe I am intelligent enough to understand a EULA that is supposed to be read and understood by all of the common-folk who use the software.

Having said all that, look up my post under "Can't See Snow Leopard as Selectable OS" and read the entries.  Bottom line is I quote the EULA and have a different interpretation than VMware.  Nowhere does it say one cannot run an Apple OS (10.6 inclusive) in a virtual environment - nowhere!  VMware's point of view is (and VMware, please correct me if I am wrong) since the EULA says only one copy of the Apple software can be run on a single Apple-branded computer, one cannot run OS 10.7 as a main OS and 10.6 as a virtual OS.  However, I interpreted it as I cannot run more than one copy of that particular software (OS 10.6) on an Apple-branded machine.  If it meant all-inclusively all Apple software (it doesn't specifiy "OS" software), then one could not run the Apple OS and any other Apple software - their applications, utilities, or OS's - so it is my personal view that I can run a single instance of OS 10.6 (Snow Leopard) without violating the EULA.  If I am running Lion on my Mac, then I should be able to run SL virtually since that is the only instance of SL I am running.

The sticky part - VMware disagrees with me and this is their forum and they are responsible for the content.  Soooo, to avoid their concern of violating Apple's EULA and my concern of violating VMware's Community Terms of Use, I cannot give any specifics as to how to load SL onto a virtual machine.  It can be done, but you will have to search the Internet for how.  Also, in case you don't take the time to read the thread I posted (where the EULA is quoted), be aware that if you load a non-server version of SL onto a virtual machine, you cannot receive any advice or assistance from this forum nor from VMware.  You are essentially on your own.  But it is an easy fix to load it.

I hope this helps.

Jim

P.S. - I post this, not as a renegade trouble-maker, but as a concerned Mac user who also was placed between a rock and a hard place because of Apple's dropping Rosetta from Lion and dropping the MobileMe program from Snow Leopard.  This caused me to have to upgrade and lose my Rosetta applications or not upgrade and lose my ability to synchronize my information with other Apple devices (iPhone, iPad, etc).  This is the only real workaround I am aware of that will allow me to continue to use Rosetta applications and maintain synchronization between deivces.  I believe Apple did us a major disservice and put us in this position.

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jreffner
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Thank you to WoodyZ and Sanjac.  I appreciate your replies.

I just decided to suck it up and buy a copy of Snow Leopard Server to run in Fusion on Lion.  So, I have only one question:  Do I want to install the 64-bit version of Snow Leopard Server or the regular (32-bit) version?

I am only going to run one PPC app in it called Goal (optometric software), and CrashPlan (a java app).  So, which Snow Leopard Server would be the best?  I'd guess that 64-bit would perform better on Lion, but that the 32-bit Snow Leopard Server would be more compatible if it matters at all.

Any suggestions?

Many thanks, Jim

P.S.  FYI I got the Snow Leopard Server for $200 on ebay.  I guess that beats $500 from Apple.

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WoodyZ
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If the applications you're going to run are 32-bit then I'd probably elect to install the 32-bit version, etc.

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tjsoftworks
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Note: If you buy Mac OS X Server to do as you are doing - MAKE SURE - it is a "Retail Version" not a "Legal Version" only. The Retail Version is very important. One could end up with a Server Serial Number that will ONLY work on the type of mac hardware on which it was sold....i.e. a MacMini Server bundled with a Server OS License......

Second - Make sure the DVD is a "Retail Version" ..... I am not repeating myself..... Only a Retail Version - Boxed will work with 95% certainty..... there is still an uncertainty that is connected with the machine you are hosting on.....

I believe all of this in caused by sillyness on Apple's part ( economic interests ) and have been tripped up at various times - and I am NOT talking about illegal licenses!

VMWare tech support is very helpful IF you have a retail DVD and have problems...... now, with that said, if you have problems, tech support will likely believe or test you for the possibility that you have an illegal DVD or license.....though they won't specifically sayy so up front..... I'll been there and done that.....

Good luck.

Personnelly, I am looking for confirmation or not that Fusion 4.0.2 has clear away most Mac on Mac virtualization problems..... I currently run Mac OS X Server 10.6.8 as a VM of Fusion 3.1.3 hosted on Mac OS X Client 10.6.8 with great results......


Terry

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ColoradoMarmot
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4.1 works great for Lion on Lion.

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jreffner
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That figures.  I literally finished everything and placed the iMac in the office only find out the very next day that Snow Leopard is now permitted as a client in Fusion 4.1.

So I wasted $200.00 on the server version of SL, but hopefully this post will help others.

By the way, the Rosetta apps work well in the SL virtual Machine on a Lion IMac for those that care.

Jim

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sanjac
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That is awesome - re: version 4.1 allows for the install of non-server Mac OS software.  Thank you, VMware, for letting us decide the legality question on our own.  I am still surprised Apple insists that virtualization is not allowed for Leopard and Snow Leopard.  I still insist that nowhere does it say it cannot be virtualized.  Anyway, VMware has stepped aside on this issue (and rightly so in my opinion) and it is now between Apple and me.

This will also help VMware with sales of Fusion since Paralleles currently does not allow Leopard and SL to be installed vrtually.  And with the increase in graphics speeds alleged in v4.1, Fusion should be a much better choice than Parallels.

Again, thank you VMware for listening to us!

Jim

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sanjac
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@jreffner,

Really it wasn't a waste of money.  As a business, one needs to be more strict in compliance.  I can see a company oging after another company a lot faster than a private citizen for violation of EULAs.  Having said that, I still say the SL EULA does not specifically rule out virtualization of SL (non-server).  But Apple clearly has taken the stance that virtualization is not allowed (just as VMware discussed).  Anyway, I am just glad the option is there.

Jim

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tjsoftworks
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Hey Jim,

Contact me back channels if you would like to sell the SLS License

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