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Thin/zero client over 3G

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We need to connect 20-30 thin client over over 3G.

We use vSphere5+View 5.

Can someone give me advice which thin clients are good for this?

Also we need about 20 thin client for LAN office workers. I would like to take only one or two kind of thin or zero clients.

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gunnarb
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I'd love for you to try Zero Clients, I used to work at Teradici and I'm a big fan of them.  I just don't think any Zero Client fan would recommend using them in your use case.  As Tim just pointed out they don't support clide side caching (and other features that are harder to explain which also decrease bandwidth). 

As far as HP vs Wyse goes, it doesn't really matter to me, just look at the processor speed, and like i said I'd recommend the Windows based units.  Not becuase I like them (I don't!) but becuase they support things better (IE USB devices).

Gunnar

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mittim12
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Here is a link to the Thin client compatibility guide, http://www.vmware.com/resources/compatibility/search.php?deviceCategory=vdm.    We use the Wyse P20 for deployment in a few areas and it works great.  

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gunnarb
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If you are over a 3G, I wouldn't recommend using a Wyse P20 as you won't get the bandwidth improvements that came in View 5.0.  Pretty much any hihg end ThinClient that supports PCoIP is going to be a good choice.  A Windows based thinclient is probably going to give you the best performance (as it will support all the bandwidth savings features).

Gunnar

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biokovo
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Thanks.

Can you compare (if you can, of course) Wyse with HP? We already have a few HP Thin Clients.

I didn't try Wyse and I would like to try zero clients.

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mittim12
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I just wanted to elaborate a little more on what Gunnary says about the P20.   In 5.0 they released client side  caching as a way to reduce bandwidth.   This will not work with the Wyse P20 or any zero client . 

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gunnarb
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I'd love for you to try Zero Clients, I used to work at Teradici and I'm a big fan of them.  I just don't think any Zero Client fan would recommend using them in your use case.  As Tim just pointed out they don't support clide side caching (and other features that are harder to explain which also decrease bandwidth). 

As far as HP vs Wyse goes, it doesn't really matter to me, just look at the processor speed, and like i said I'd recommend the Windows based units.  Not becuase I like them (I don't!) but becuase they support things better (IE USB devices).

Gunnar

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biokovo
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Thanks.

Sorry, I didn't understund. Why are you think that with Wyse P20 I won't get the bandwidth improvements that came in View 5.0?

Regarding windows based, what are you suggest: windows 7 or some other?

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biokovo
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So, you recommend to use Zero Cients on LAN, and Windows 7 Thin Clients on 3G?

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gunnarb
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Not Windows 7 necessarily, Windows anything "Embedded", whatever Windows comes on a Thin Client is fine by me.  Like I said the only reason I say that is that the Windows Client tends to have all the advanced features which if I was running on 3G I'd want every feature I can get.

For normal use case such as LAN, I'd definately go Zero Client.

Gunnar

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biokovo
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Thanks Gunnar. One more question please Smiley Happy

Zero client, like P20, are good for CAD, multimedia etc. Does it make sence to buy it for office workers (MS Office, web...)?

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gunnarb
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I think a Zero Client is perfect for jsut about everything except WAN deployments.  The EVGA PD02 makes it cheap enough to work for the high end user or the task user.

Gunnar

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biokovo
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Sorry Gunnar, what do you think about zero client with cpu other then Teradici, are they good enough? I don't see HP have Teradici Zero Cleints.

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dvhorvath
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Those bandwidth improvements are largely related to client side caching, which allows end-point devices to cache certain pixels to be reused locally, rather than have them retransmitted every time they're needed. To do that, the end-point device has to have the right hardware and available memory to cache the images. Current zero clients don't have the necessary hardware and software components to make use of client side caching, which means they're limited to just taking advantage of the other View 5 PCoIP enhancements, like Disable Build-to-Lossless.

As far as alternatives go, gunnard is right: any of the higher-end thin clients (as opposed to zero clients) will be able to take advantage of the bandwidth improvements provided by client side caching. I hope that helps clear up the issue for you.

Dave

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Sergei13
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Biokovo, as far as I am aware, HP is supplying eom PD02 but only in certain countries, at least on their US web site, where I initially found it.

Otherwise, talk to EVGA direct to get PD02. As Gunnar said, they are the cheapest I could find (50% of Wyse P20) and they seem to do the job nicely, even if they get quite warm !

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biokovo
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Thanks to all, it was very useful informations for me. I am sorry I have no points to give Smiley Sad

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