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gunnarb
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PCoverIP Terminal

Just wondering if anyone has been looking for terminals that support PC over IP. I spoke to my Wyse rep and what I found out is that VMware hasn't released the APIs yet for PCoIP so they have their hands tied. The other problem they foresee is that the Wyse V10L (the terminal I was hoping to use) only has an 800Mhz processor and PCoverIP protocol requires a 1Ghz processor.

Just wanting to start a decision on terminals and PC over IP, feel free to join.

-Gunnar

Gunnar Berger http://www.gunnarberger.com http://www.endusercomputing.com
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KenUnger
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The PCoIP management console is available from Teradici, and may be available for download from Wyse as well although I'm not 100% sure at this moment. Send an email to support@teradici.com and we'll sort things out for you. In the context of VMware View, the PCoIP management console is really only used to update firmware on Teradici PCoIP zero-clients, the P20 being one. Yes, it's a no-cost item.

Ken

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hmartin
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I've sent the email - thanks. Regarding functionality, it appears from the documentation that I will be able to set up a profile in the PCoIPMC so that the View Connection Server information can be automatically retrieved from the PCoIPMC rather than manually configured. As such, I'll be able to take a new P20 out of the box, it will contact the PCoIPMC automatically (via the DNS SRV record), register itself, connect to the View broker, and be 100% ready to go with no manual configuration. Is that incorrect?

For whatever it's worth, my Wyse rep is looking for it as well.

Thanks again.

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gunnarb
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Great blog wponder. Thanks for the video, I have to say that's impressive on a zero client. I loved the dual screen as well, seems to work flawless without those common errors like the taskbar spanning two screens. Anyway thanks man, can't wait to test this on the V10L, maybe I'll shoot a video next time to compare the two. Smiley Happy

-Gunnar

Gunnar Berger http://www.gunnarberger.com http://www.endusercomputing.com
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gunnarb
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Just got word that V10L PCoIP support is being pushed to Q2 2010. Hopefully Wyse will release a new terminal sooner with a stronger processor that is WTOS. Although wponder has me very interested in the P20 with the video .

Hey wponder. Question for you. What are your concerns with the P20 from a longevity stand point? I like the V10L because it can handle all sorts of protocols. Does it worry you that the P20 only supports PCoIP? What if VMware abandons PCoIP, or some new version of PCoIP isn't supported on the P20. That's my biggest fear, spending a lot of money replacing all my desktops with a terminal then having a short shelf life on that terminal. The P20 just worries me because it's not flexable. I know I'm not the only one with these thoughts.

Gunnar Berger http://www.gunnarberger.com http://www.endusercomputing.com
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hmartin
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I agree. This situation is particularly sensitive given that many VDI business cases assume a 5+ year ROI for the thin clients.

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admin
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This is just my personal opinion:

I think your concerns or questions are natural. In the end, it all comes down to what matters and works best for you. We are all about choice and options. Some people look at their clients as disposable some people look at their clients as strategic ( Giving them the most flexibility and feeling of comfort )

There is inherent value in a multi-protocol client. It gives you the most broad flexibility and I do not think anyone would argue against that. Although, a PCoIP zero client also supports RDP it's not entirely equal comparing to a multi-protocol client.

>> Does it worry you that the P20 only supports PCoIP?

Technically, it also supports RDP. So, It does not worry me that it's built for PCoIP. I actaully, have never been afraid of purpose built clients. When managed desktops we had a 5 and 10 year roadmap and we were set usually set on a direction for at least 5. For some, this really is not an issue to them. They have made an architecture decision and that is the path they are headed. I also think depending on how you depreciate your clients and how you look at your architecture 3 years / 5 years etc. that factors into how a big a deal this really is.

>> What if VMware

abandons PCoIP,

There is no guarantee here or is there with anything though? Only you can look the level of investment and commitment and decide. That is true of anything. That said, there are standard support statements, product life cycle terms etc. A company like VMware is not going to ship something, just drop it and walk away leaving you hanginig. Companies, EOL hardware and software or change things all the time. That is a risk with anything unless you build it in house. Then it's just a question of when the next Executive comes in and decides it's cheaper to do it differenty Smiley Happy On thing is certain, change, it's always going to happen.

>> or some new version of PCoIP isn't supported on the P20.

This is not specific to just a P20. This applies to ALL thin clients what is supported on one might not be supported on others. After all, that is why there are so many models right? Some are fit for basic connectivity, some fit for connectivity + other tasks. I think you need to look out into the future and say, in five years will I just need basic connectivity or, will I want to do more multimedia, VoIP, Webcams, USB, 3D graphics, more rich desktop experiance, multi-monitor etc.. Clients today often do not support features of tomorrow even if they do support multiple protocols. Then pick the best client for your roadmap.

The probability of this is really low with a P20. The current generation Tera 1100 started out on the highend and is now working its way down and Teradici is still adding features to it though firmware updates. There is the chance new features could require updated clients in the future, that is common. However, making it so that an older client could not connect to a newer backend minus the new features would be CRAZY. In fact it would be suicide ( IMO ). So, I do not think this is likely. Look at solutions like Sun Ray. Sun Rays have been shipping for over 10 years and have only had 2 generations 3 clients in each generation. Sun Ray 1 / Sun Ray 2. The Sun Ray 1 can still be used with existing SRSS solutions today minus only a few newer features.

>> The P20 just worries me because it's not flexible. I know I'm not the only one with these thoughts.

It's a Coke and Pepsi world. For some there will be concerns and for others there will not be, and this is exactly why there is choice!!!!! I have some visibility into what people buy and the decisions they make. There is no question, people are buying PCoIP clients without concern. There are also lots of people using existing clients. If a P20 is your thing the best thing about is you have the backing and support of VMware, Teradici and WYSE. If another WYSE model is your thing, the part about that is you have the backing and support of VMware, Teradici and WYSE.

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gunnarb
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wponder, I appreciate your thorough response. For one it's nice to know the R20 supports RDP, at least that gives us terminal services as a backup plan. Again I appreciate your video and thoughts throughout this thread. Like you said there is no single answer, but I think this forum is a great tool to discuss these concerns. I'm still not 100% sold on the P20, but as the V10L PCoIP support is a ways out and Wyse isn't giving me answers on the next WTOS PCoIP release, I think P20 is probably the way to go... unless something better comes out tomorrow. Smiley Happy

-Gunnar

Gunnar Berger http://www.gunnarberger.com http://www.endusercomputing.com
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I agree. Thanks for being so active. I am just here to try and help.

WP

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SWCS833
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Has anyone seen or tried the Samsung 930ND? I am looking for a new client that will support PCoIP, and will look at the Samsung and for sure WYSE, but I am just wondering about the 930ND, considering how different it is from a Thin Client.

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mplanck
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I've been testing with the 930ND for a bit and got a RC version of the firmware and it works really well with PCoIP. The GA version of the firmware is supposed to be out today but I haven't been able to find it yet. I still have WAN testing to do, we've just been doing LAN testing so far. Samsung is also going to be releasing two new monitors which support PCoIP, the NC190 and NC240 (19" & 24" versions).

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gunnarb
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This is probably a dumb question, but who did you go through to get the Samsung? CDW? Dell? Samsung?

Gunnar Berger http://www.gunnarberger.com http://www.endusercomputing.com
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mplanck
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CDW, we got two of them. I'm about to give one to an end user for further testing.

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The 24 inch is so sweet. 2 x 24 is even sweeter. It will be nice when these are in volume. We have seen prototypes and the new redesign.

WP

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hmartin
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I'm sure many of us would be interested in hearing the results of your testing. Are you testing any other PCoIP units? If so, a compare/contrast would be great. I would expect little difference in performance since they all have the same CPU, but perhaps the overall unit has more impact than I expect. I will be testing my Wyse P20s more next week and will post our findings, as compared to our existing Wyse V10Ls with the TCX software. I'm hoping for a much better experience.

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gunnarb
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I second hmartin. All of these posts have been very helpful. I'm trying to make a decision about what the best device is, a V10L vs P20 comparison would be great, but I'd also like to see the Samsung. Not just performance but also administration (how you deploy them and maintain them).

Thanks everyone for all the input on this thread!

Gunnar

Gunnar Berger http://www.gunnarberger.com http://www.endusercomputing.com
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billu
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Wow - that Samsung device looks pretty sweet. Can anyone confirm that these units also support RDP?

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SWCS833
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It does support RDP, you can go to the Samsung website and look at the manual.

http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/office/monitors/specialty/LF19BKBLB/ZA/index.idx?pagetype=prd_det...

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dturner71
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Anybody gotten their hands on the PCoIP firmware update? Teradici said it would be today but so far nothing on the Samsung site. I'm wondering if it's been delayed or something.

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SWCS833
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I will ask my local Samsung rep if he knows.

So here is what I am getting hopefully next month for PCoIP/VMWare View testing. Let me know if you want me to test certian things, it will all be LAN based with Windows XP SP3 and hopefully Windows 7.I am looking at both PCoIP Hardware clients (P20 and NC240) and then just XPe/WES clients with View 4 Client. WYSE is actually not even pushing the P20 for my environment, saying that the C90LE and the R90L might be best as it will also support RDP much better than the P20, incase there ever is the need.

Clients to be tested:

WYSE C90LE, R90L and P20

Samsung NC240

HPt5740

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