Ventura host experiences?

Anyone out there running the TP on a Ventura Host?  I tend to be an early adopter (but not beta), and would be interested to know if anything broke.

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Mikero
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Been using it since Beta 1... had some issues that were resolved in Beta 3 where using Exposé and Spaces, moving an App window from one desktop to another would render the view invisible. That got fixed in a later Beta, haven't seen it in a while.

Stage Manager is cool, a bit weird to understand it's behavior, but Fusion does play nice with it as well.

All in all, we're thrilled we don't have a mountain of ventura-specific bugs like we did with Big Sur.

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Michael Roy - PM/PMM: Fusion & Workstation
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WooHoo, thanks Mike!

Gold Master, here I come 🙂

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And the gold master is out, so I gave it a go.  TP works just fine.

Reminder - shut down (not suspend) VM's, and remove all snapshots taken while the VM was running before upgrading the OS version on your host.

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Technogeezer
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Just upgraded to Ventura GA on my Mac mini 2020 M1. Limited testing so far, but nothing seems to have broken (yet) with the latest Tech Preview release.

 

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Do you see Ventura notifying you that VMWare has added background items every time you launch a VM?

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joedec
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Yes I get this message every time I start  VMware Fusion.

 

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Technogeezer
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I'm seeing this too and believe it to be normal, and related to security-related enhancements that are in Ventura .

Fusion adds its background services to macOS when you start it (take a look at the folder /System/LaunchDaemons and you'll see VMware related items appear when Fusion starts). and uses the macOS system's launch services mechanism to start and stop its services. Fusion uses the launch services mechanisms to stop those background services and cleans up what it did behind the scenes when you quit Fusion (again, see that the vmware related items in /System/LaunchDaemons will be removed). Fusion's goals appear to be that they only start those services when they are needed, and not at system boot time.

Older versions of macOS did not report that it was making those changes. Ventura now notifies on that activity.

There's really no need to manage them from the Login Items settings.  (the new Login Items settings box is na bit of a head scratcher with those background items and it's not easy to figure out what Apple is trying to have you manage, and it needs some work IMO).

It's annoying, to be sure. But IMO it's a minor annoyance. Simply dismiss the notification.

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I like the settings box for awareness, but it doesn't link to launchdaemons and the other folders, so it's still painful to clean things out.

I suspect the release will fix it.

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Technogeezer
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Yeah, I can't figure out what Apple was going for in that new box. I'm not sure if you mean the next Fusion GA release or the Ventura GA release. 

It is kind of, shall we say, interesting to keep populating launch daemons every time Fusion is started rather than simply installing the plists once and enabling/disabling them when needed.  

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palter
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In the Ventura GA, the Settings pane still doesn't offer any additional information if the item is signed. Again, not very helpful. (E.g., it took me quite some time to figure out that the launch items from PhotoMinds LLC are for Arq.)

On the other hand, if the item is unsigned (e.g., from a MacPorts port), there's an Info button that opens a Finder window on the executable referenced from the plist.

I read somewhere that there's a new API in Ventura to manager background items that avoids the notification and, I believe, also doesn't put the items in the Settings pane.

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Technogeezer
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@palter wrote:

I read somewhere that there's a new API in Ventura to manager background items that avoids the notification and, I believe, also doesn't put the items in the Settings pane.


I hope so and I hope that VMware has decided to use it for the sanity of their users.. I guess we'll find out for sure in a couple of weeks or so.

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