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reliable low end managed switched hub

Can anyone recommend reliable low end (less than $1000) switched/managed hubs with at least 8 ports that are known to work properly using vmware bridged networks?

I have a Dell poweredge 2950 running VMWARE server 2.0 under Centos 5.2 wth one of the interfaces connected to a commodity hub where the ethernet interface keeps bouncing up and down several times per hour. The same system has another interface plugged into a nortel hub with no problems. I tried moving the problematic connection from the Intel ethernet card to one of the motherboards broadcom netextreme 2 ports, but this did not help. I have also tried forcing the port to 100mb full duplex. I'd like to just purchase a hub that is known to be able to handle multiple MAC addresses on a port properly.

Thanks,

Nataraj

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Lightbulb
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I have been trying to figure out how I can convince my wife that I need this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833316053

Only 8 ports, but VLAN and Jumbo Frames support, cool

tumbleweed
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Thank you. Do you have any experience leading you to believe that this switch will work with a bunch of VM's bridged to the ethernet? It's certainly cheap enough. I could spend $150 and give it a shot. Do HP switches work well well with vmware in general?

Nataraj

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RParker
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Do HP switches work well well with vmware in general?

For all intents and purposes ALL switches are the same. The ONLY difference is features and manageability. So this and any other ethernet switch will work fine. There really isn't much you can do to electromagnetic pulses differently than any other chassis. Quality comes into play when you buy Cisco and some larger brands, but really they are all the same circuits, just built differently.

So if you buy lowend the only thing you risk is maybe some switches aren't built as well, but realistically I haven't ever seen a Switch or a NIC fail EVER. I have been doing this for over 20 years, and done everything from 4Meg Token ring to 10 Base -T Ethernet to the most recent switches and NICs, and never have I seen a single NIC fail, drivers maybe fail, but not the hardware.

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tumbleweed
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My experience is different than what you describe. I think what you are saying was true of old unswitched hubs, but my understanding is that switched hubs minimally implement a switch fabric (I say minimally because some switches implement spanning trees and other more complex protocols) which includes the examination of ethernet headers and making decisions to which port a packet should be forwarded. I have seen all kinds of cheap switches that get confused and don't forward packets correctly. I've heard that the bridged networking in vmware, or other configurations with multiple mac addresses being sent out a single port can confuse poorly designed switch fabrics. Then there are buffering capabilites, switching between a 10 or 100MB port and and a 1000MB port can be very different between a quality switch a a poor one.

12 years ago when I was doing alot of work with startup ISP's I saw alot of problems with Cisco catalyst switches. I don't know how they work today. I had very good results in terms of reliability and performance with extreme networks switches. But that was several years ago. So I don't feel that all switches are the same.

My experiences in the past was with other applications, so the question that I ask here is in regard to switches being used with vmware bridged networking. I have need for both high end switches which connect the vmware servers to my clients internal network, and less expensive switches for DMZs and interconnection to internet routers. I can spend more than $150 for a switch if necessary, but the performance needs for this clients internet and DMZ networks are not that great. I'm looking for a switch that will work reliably. Right now the high end nortel switch works find with the vmware server, but another switch, (I think it is a dlink) is causing us problems.

Thank you,

Nataraj

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Lightbulb
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No experience. I have been thinking about upgrading my home test environment for a while. This switch seemed to have all the features that I would like, plus it seems highly rated by the folks who bought it.

All things considered it is pretty inexpensive for the feature set it packs. Given the MAC address table indicated (8,000) I think it will mange to live up to the demands of a couple of attached ESX hosts.

The fact that it only has 8 ports would be a problem outside of a test environment. In any case good luck with you search.

I will be buying this as soon as I get my Bonus at work. The kids don't really need new clothes Smiley Happy

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Texiwill
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Hello,

Low end managed switches do not have all the safe guards against Layer 2 attacks that the bigger more expensive units have, however, I have found that the LinkSys SRW2016 GigE switches work quite well. They are inexpensive, support VLANs, and have a web/serial port management interface. They are not high speed however but they do work.


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tumbleweed
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Thank you everyone. I ordered an HP HUB and we'll give it a shot. If that doesn't do it, I'll try a linksys.

Nataraj

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tumbleweed
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The HP switch that lightbulb recommended actually lets you configure a maximum number of frames/second for each port (the same limit applies to all ports). I got this from the online documentation at http://cdn.procurve.com/training/Manuals/1800-MgmtCfg-June2007-59916275.pdf. There is also a 24 port model that is rackmountable, though a bit more expensive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833316089&Tpk=1800-24g

Nataraj

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jaym12
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is definitely your Switch Hubs issue. You will have to replace it. You can find a Switch hub for under 1000$. You can do your own research. I am using Cisco SRW224G4-K9 (https://www.allhdd.com/cisco-srw224g4-k9-managed-switch/). And it's working fine for me. There are many other options you can find online.

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Caroljames97201
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Yes That's true I also recommend Hp Switch Hub. They work best and also you can buy them in less then 300 USD. I have been using HP J9028B https://www.allhdd.com/hp-j9028b-24-ports-ethernet-switch/ and have been using it for a long time now for almost 4 5 years. I purchased it in just 175 and now a days it is available in 125 USD.

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Caroljames97202
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I don't think so. I am using a 2 port router https://www.allhdd.com/cisco-isr4321-ax-k9-2-ports-router/

 

And it is working fine for me. Let me know if you still need any help.

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