topic Re: No sound in Linux on Apple Silicon in VMware Fusion Discussions

No sound in Linux on Apple Silicon

gnttz79xro — Fri, 19 May 2023 09:08:45 GMT

Hello! I have MacBook Air M1, macOS Ventura 13.3.1 and VMware Fusion 13.0.2. Installed Fedora 38 from the image Fedora-Workstation-Live-aarch64-38-1.6.iso. In the system settings I try to check the sound. I press the ‘Test’ button, but I hear nothing. Sometimes some sounds come through. It looks like a stutter. I have the same problem on Ubuntu 23.04. Does anyone else have this problem?

Re: No sound in Linux on Apple Silicon

ColoradoMarmot — Fri, 19 May 2023 15:24:40 GMT

My sound works fine, though I find that I have to have it connected before booting.

Did you install open-vm-tools, and did you build the VM using the instructions in the unofficial guide?

Re: No sound in Linux on Apple Silicon

gnttz79xro — Mon, 22 May 2023 15:52:06 GMT

@ColoradoMarmot wrote:
My sound works fine, though I find that I have to have it connected before booting.
Did you install open-vm-tools, and did you build the VM using the instructions in the unofficial guide?

I don't understand what it means to build a virtual machine. I didn't see anything about it in the unofficial guide.
By the way, in Fedora 38 open-vm-tools are installed automatically. It seems to me that @anaconda just means that the package is installed by the system installer.

[gnttz79xro@fedora ~]$ dnf list installed | grep open-vm open-vm-tools.aarch64 12.1.5-3.fc38 @anaconda open-vm-tools-desktop.aarch64 12.1.5-3.fc38 @anaconda

Re: No sound in Linux on Apple Silicon

abiosoft — Mon, 22 May 2023 06:07:48 GMT

I am having exact issues as well. I have tried multiple distros including Ubuntu, Fedora, Debian and NixOS and the behaviour is same.

Basically, the sound stutters in the beginning for about 5-30 seconds and eventually starts playing normally. If you pause an audio/video for over 10 seconds and you play again, you get same behaviour.

The mic behaves same way and it becomes pretty much useless.

I do however notice that the audio works fine in some distros with older kernels (like Ubuntu 22.04). However, GPU acceleration is missing in those distros.

Considering that USB cameras work fine, I suspect that USB headset/speakers/mic might work.

It has been a blocker for me and I hope there are some workarounds.

Re: No sound in Linux on Apple Silicon

gnttz79xro — Tue, 23 May 2023 05:37:17 GMT

@abiosoft wrote:
I am having exact issues as well. I have tried multiple distros including Ubuntu, Fedora, Debian and NixOS and the behaviour is same.

Thanks for your feedback. I checked Ubuntu 22.04.2 (ubuntu-22.04.2-live-server-arm64.iso) and the sound really works there. I installed 22.10 (ubuntu-22.10-live-server-arm64.iso) and there is a problem with the sound. It seems to me that the point here is that in version 22.10 Ubuntu switched from PulseAudio to a PipeWire.

On Ubuntu 22.10 I did the following:

Open file

sudo nano /usr/share/pipewire/pipewire.conf

2. Found lines

#default.clock.rate = 48000 #default.clock.allowed-rates = [ 48000 ]

3. Replaced with

default.clock.rate = 44100 default.clock.allowed-rates = [ 44100 ]

4. Reboot

These actions seem to have helped to solve the sound problem on Ubuntu 22.10. For some reason, this does not work in Fedora 38.

Re: No sound in Linux on Apple Silicon

abiosoft — Mon, 22 May 2023 18:29:39 GMT

If I may ask, where did you find those instructions?

Thanks.

Re: No sound in Linux on Apple Silicon

gnttz79xro — Tue, 23 May 2023 00:25:01 GMT

@abiosoft wrote:
If I may ask, where did you find those instructions?
Thanks.

I found this solution here No Sound in VMware Fusion or VirtualBox VM's with Fedora 34 Gnome/KDE

Unfortunately in Fedora 38 this solution did not help. I tried it in Ubuntu. I looked up information about the sound server using the command

pactl info

In ubuntu 22.04.2 I get this output

Server String: /run/user/1000/pulse/native Library Protocol Version: 35 Server Protocol Version: 35 Is Local: yes Client Index: 8 Tile Size: 65472 User Name: gnttz79xro Host Name: ubuntu Server Name: pulseaudio Server Version: 15.99.1 Default Sample Specification: s16le 2ch 44100Hz Default Channel Map: front-left,front-right Default Sink: alsa_output.pci-0000_01_01.0.analog-stereo Default Source: alsa_input.pci-0000_01_01.0.analog-stereo Cookie: c3ea:fdb0

In ubuntu 22.10

Server String: /run/user/1000/pulse/native Library Protocol Version: 35 Server Protocol Version: 35 Is Local: yes Client Index: 63 Tile Size: 65472 User Name: gnttz79xro Host Name: ubuntu Server Name: PulseAudio (on PipeWire 0.3.58) Server Version: 15.0.0 Default Sample Specification: float32le 2ch 48000Hz Default Channel Map: front-left,front-right Default Sink: alsa_output.pci-0000_01_01.0.analog-stereo Default Source: alsa_input.pci-0000_01_01.0.analog-stereo Cookie: 88a6:3b3f

I saw that the sample is different and tried to change it to 44100.

Re: No sound in Linux on Apple Silicon

gnttz79xro — Tue, 23 May 2023 05:09:35 GMT

It seems that Stuttering Audio (in Virtual Machine) works in Fedora 38. I checked it fixed the sound problem.

Re: No sound in Linux on Apple Silicon

Technogeezer — Tue, 23 May 2023 14:28:59 GMT

@gnttz79xro This is great information, and I can confirm that it works on Fedora 38. Will this same solution work on Ubuntu or are the changes to the pipewire.conf file the you posted earlier the recommended method?

I'll include this in the next version of the Companion Guide and credit you for finding the solution.

Thanks.

Re: No sound in Linux on Apple Silicon

abiosoft — Wed, 24 May 2023 06:54:29 GMT

I can confirm as well that it works on Fedora 38. However, none of the suggestions work on Ubuntu 23.04.

Re: No sound in Linux on Apple Silicon

toce — Mon, 29 May 2023 19:32:04 GMT

Fully confirming the observations in the post of abiosoft above concerning the stuttering issue in Debian, in my case Debian 12 (still RC, due to be released in 1st half of June). The solution proposed by gnttz79xro does improve things, but does not solve the issue. Also noteworthy is that I have no problem with audio in a Debian 12 VM running on my Intel MBP.

Re: No sound in Linux on Apple Silicon

Technogeezer — Mon, 29 May 2023 19:55:06 GMT

If you have the ability to open this as a support request to VMware, it might be a good idea.

There were issues in the Tech Preview about audio on Apple Silicon systems, perhaps this is more of the same.

@Mikero have your folks heard anything or are aware of issues with audio working strangely on Fusion on Apple Silicon Macs vs Intel Macs?

Re: No sound in Linux on Apple Silicon

toce — Wed, 31 May 2023 11:26:58 GMT

@Technogeezer: Unfortunately my account does not provide the ability to open a support request.
And yes, we've seen (heard) audio issues as of early in the Tech Preview. I expected that by now they would have been resolved. Will probably take some more time...

Re: No sound in Linux on Apple Silicon

Technogeezer — Wed, 31 May 2023 13:59:21 GMT

Some sound related issues were fixed from the Tech Preview. It's possible they didn't get all of them.

Re: No sound in Linux on Apple Silicon

toce — Fri, 02 Jun 2023 20:41:28 GMT

Hummm.... I screwed up a few things. Attempting to correct now.

In this thread two solutions are proposed by gnttz79xro.
The first one is to change settings in /usr/share/pipewire/pipewire.conf. That's the one I tried. It improved things but did not solve audio issues in Debian 12 RC.
The second one contains a link to a resource that proposes to modify the WirePlumber configuration.

What I now did was to undo the pipewire solution and instead implement the WirePlumber solution.
I confirm that that one works great on Debian 12 RC4.

Apologies for any confusion I may have caused.

Re: No sound in Linux on Apple Silicon

abiosoft — Sat, 05 Aug 2023 07:23:51 GMT

With the release of Linux kernel 6.2 support for Ubuntu 22.04, it appears to now be the best all round supported distro for Fusion on Apple Silicon devices.

The audio works fine and the Linux kernel 6.2 brings graphics/GPU support.

The kernel 6.2 can be installed with sudo apt install linux-image-generic-hwe-22.04.

Re: No sound in Linux on Apple Silicon

Technogeezer — Sat, 05 Aug 2023 20:13:04 GMT

It does appear that Canonical has upgrade the HWE kernel for 22.04 to a 6.2 version. Until the last update, the HWE kernel was a 5.19 version. The 6.2 kernel in general works better on arm64 architectures due to improvements made in 6.0 and later. And by using a 6.2 kernel, they have included many fixes that they (in many cases poorly) back ported to 5.19.

I strongly disagree that Ubuntu is the "best all around supported distro on Apple Silicon devices". in the approximately 2 years since I've been working with Linux under Fusion on Apple Silicon, it is the worst mainstream distribution that I've worked with on Apple Silicon. It by far has given me the most problems. Many of these problem have caused Ubuntu to be unusable. You can find others on this board will echo this opinion.

IMO they do not take arm64 seriously - their time is spent on x64 and any work on arm64 appears to be an after-thought. Canonical does not provide an out-of-the-box arm64 version of Ubuntu Desktop. Their 23.04 and 23.10 daily desktop builds for arm64 (and other) archiectrures are broken (nothing to do with Fusion) and have been for over 2 months now (they know about it but have not said when they're going to fix it). They've improperly back-ported kernel "fixes" to their 5.19 kernels in 22.10 that have broken working virtual machines (taking over 4 months to deliver a fix).

OpenSUSE Tumbleweed and Fedora have been much more stable and reliable distros for arm64 than Ubuntu from my experience. Even Debian bookworm and RHEL 9 have been better than Ubuntu. Admittedly Ubuntu is getting better, but they've got to prove over the next couple of releases that they've cleaned up their act and deserve my recommendation.

Re: No sound in Linux on Apple Silicon

abiosoft — Mon, 07 Aug 2023 06:18:38 GMT

I guess I probably didn't choose the right words and I agree with your experience with Ubuntu.

I have a use-case for audio (including mic) and graphics acceleration in a Linux VM and none of the distros have been as supported on Fusion as I'd like. The older kernel supports audio while the newer (6.x) kernel support graphics.

The pipewire audio fix works in the new kernel for some (like Debian and Fedora) but there's still some lag in the audio.

The HWE kernel 6.2. for Ubuntu 22.04 is the first time I got audio (without input lag) and graphics to work properly, hence my statement. It was mainly for my use-case.

I totally agree that Ubuntu has been treating arm64/aarch64 as an afterthought. It is still required to manually convert a server image to desktop image to reliably boot Ubuntu on Fusion.

A distro I am yet to try is OpenSUSE, I will give it a shot.

Thanks.