topic Re: Do we need to use VLANs for our small environment? in vSphere™ vNetwork Discussions

Do we need to use VLANs for our small environment?

Wasisnt — Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:38:21 GMT

We have four ESXi 4.1 servers with dual quad core Xeon processors and 96GB of RAM each and 4 NICs. We also have two IBM DS3512 iSCSI SAS storage devices with everything connected with gigabit Ethernet. We have around 15 VMs total spread out on the 4 hosts.

We separated out iSCSI ports on separate vSwitches. Is there a real need to use VLANs as well to separate storage traffic or is that overkill for our small size? I didnt know if it was something you should do no matter what or if it was just for larger environments.

Re: Do we need to use VLANs for our small environment?

JohnADCO — Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:58:31 GMT

If the traffic is mixed on the switches? I am going to say yes, you need to separate the traffic.

iSCSI running with lan traffic is bad news performance wise indeed. I have setup a ton of three host ESX clusters and have tried to have the traffic mixed just for testing and it was not pleasant.

Re: Do we need to use VLANs for our small environment?

JohnADCO — Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:00:32 GMT

PS: I don't use Vlans, I use actual physical switches. Isolated from lan traffic. A switch / switch stack for each unique subnet on the storage network. I use relatively inexpensive switches for this though admittedly.

Re: Do we need to use VLANs for our small environment?

Wasisnt — Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:01:21 GMT

We have separate subnets for the storage because we are trying out VLANs now but the storage traffic is going through switches that are being used for other traffic as well. Is that what you mean?

Do people have dedicated switches for their iSCSI traffic?

Re: Do we need to use VLANs for our small environment?

JohnADCO — Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:05:05 GMT

Either Vlans or actual dedicated switches. Both are considered best practice. Having other traffic on the same subnet / vlan / same switch as the iSCSI traffic is way way not considered best practice. iSCSI traffic is a unique, specifc type of IP traffic and does not mix well at all.

If you want to mix that traffic you should have a NAS not iSCSI san.

Re: Do we need to use VLANs for our small environment?

orthohin — Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:08:59 GMT

You better go for VLAN to avoid broadcast, collution and separate traffice. In this case you need a trunk port between your switch and ISP switch to communicate different VLAN. If your service provider not provide trunk port then you need a router to route the VLANs.

Regards,
Milton

Re: Do we need to use VLANs for our small environment?

orthohin — Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:22:13 GMT

If you go for separate VLAN then your have to use separate subnetwork IP address and gateway for each VLAN. Then you have to decide how many VLAN you will create for your network.

Re: Do we need to use VLANs for our small environment?

Wasisnt — Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:27:01 GMT

We have it setup with VLANs now but were just wondering if we really needed to do it that way and could avoid some complexity by not using them.

Re: Do we need to use VLANs for our small environment?

RParker — Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:27:54 GMT

I agree it can't hurt, VLAN make things better and easier to manage anyway, so I would say do VLAN from the start.. separate the traffic.

Re: Do we need to use VLANs for our small environment?

orthohin — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 03:01:26 GMT

VLAN can reduce network conjection and broadcast. So network will be free of unwanted traffice. Also have administrative controll and manage ypur network.

Re: Do we need to use VLANs for our small environment?

LailaC — Sun, 30 Oct 2011 12:20:29 GMT

VLAN are the best thing to implement, doesnt matter if you are in small environment or in a large environment.

Even better from Security Prespective and easy to manage. I would prefer use of vlans

Re: Do we need to use VLANs for our small environment?

klauzser — Sun, 30 Oct 2011 12:40:19 GMT

I agree. If you are in the same office, big or small. VLAN is absolutely perfect and easy to install to each of your machines.

Re: Do we need to use VLANs for our small environment?

orthohin — Sun, 30 Oct 2011 15:54:27 GMT

Are you sure that VLAN needd to install????????

Re: Do we need to use VLANs for our small environment?

orthohin — Sun, 30 Oct 2011 15:59:29 GMT

Hi, You no need to install VLAN you have to configure the VLAN.