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      • 15. Re: Are they going to bring back the Server Console?
        sej7278 Enthusiast

        so if there's not going to be any console, and virtualcenter/vic 2.5 aren't going to get linux versions, hopefully the web interface will be useable enough so that we can setup the vm's without having any browser plugins.

         

        once we've configured our vm's, can we disable the web interface and use vmware-cmd to start/stop the vm's (and use vnc/rdp for display)?

         

        i'm thinking if i stick with vmware server after 2 (instead of switching to xen, kvm, parallels or sun's virtualbox) i might write a python gui to edit the config files, and maybe launch them by wrapping vmware-cmd. hehe, maybe even virt-manager could be used as it is for xen/qemu.

         

        all this 2beta does sound a bit like a big nose-thumbing to all of us linux users that sold plenty of copies of esx to clients for you - based on our vmserver experience - and made vmware shareholders a lot of money in the process.

         

        i can only think that the majority of vmware users (all products) run linux hosts, and are going to be moving elsewhere, and windows customers are probably going to use windows server 2008 instead, its just seems like shooting yourself in the foot.

        • 16. Re: Are they going to bring back the Server Console?
          Peter_vm Guru

          Let's see first properly working VMware Server 2.0.

          So far it looks it might be still at least two months away.

          • 17. Re: Are they going to bring back the Server Console?
            markokobal Enthusiast

            Hi,

             

            You guys should also keep in mind, that the GUI is definitly NOT the major reason to swich to another VM (Xen, kvm, xVM...). VMware is currently so much better than the competitiors (great support for guests, so much goodies (vSMP, great VMFS...)) that GUI really is not the reason to swich to either of the other VM, at least for me. I do not know for you, but once the VMware Server is configured and up&running, there is no real need for any GUI at all - and if you really need it, for the basic stuff to do the Web GUI (the improved one, not this one in beta 1) will definitly do the work. And if you need some advanced stuff to do (like migration between hosts, cloning, perfrormance analysis... - which, by the way - is really NOT well supported by any of the other VM) you will just find an Windows box (now do not say that you can not find any Windows box, even you really do not like Windows) and will install the state-of-the-art peace of software called VirtualCenter 2.5 (you have an 1 month free fully-functional trial) or the VI Client 2.5, wich will be shipped with the Server 2.0. So everybody should cool down, forget a little bit about the GUI and keep in mind all the goodies that Server 2.0 will bring (vSMP, big memory, USB 2.0, 32&64-bit, realy great guests support (Vista, Serer 2008...) ...).

             

            Kind regards, Marko.

            • 18. Re: Are they going to bring back the Server Console?
              sej7278 Enthusiast

              well if vmware refuse to give linux users a usable gui, then what other choice do we have?

               

              also, its starting to lag behind in the performance stakes - xen/kvm potentially are as fast as ESX, and virtualbox in my experience is definitely faster than server1 (especially vista).

               

              and all the lovely virtualcenter/vic features are also useless to us linux users, and i really don't want to buy a windows box/license just to assess some trial software.

              • 19. Re: Are they going to bring back the Server Console?
                MrBean201110141 Novice

                 

                Hi bjrosen,

                 

                 

                i think the citrix webclient over the java plugin shows that you are wrong with "There is absolutely no way a JAVA application can have the performance needed to serve as a virtual display". You can use the clipboard, use your citrix desktop fullscreen and published apps in a seamless window. The native windows or linux client works a bit smoother, but for an admin console the java client is enough.

                 

                 

                If VMware makes the Web Console stable and usable with all major browsers, it will be a  compensation for the server console. I'm waiting for the next beta...

                • 20. Re: Are they going to bring back the Server Console?
                  phofmann Novice

                  The Console serves two functions, it's used to create, configure and control VMs and it's used as a virtual display for running VMs. The first function, managing VMs, can be handled by a web application, the second, a virtual display, can't. There is absolutely no way a JAVA application can have the performance needed to serve as a virtual display.

                   

                  This is complete nonsense. We have developed Java applications that have almost native speed (if such thing exists). Just because most Java applications have a bad GUI implementation, doesn't mean, Java is slow in general.

                   

                   

                  I like it that the console application has been dropped since I had to boot up a VM with Winblows just to administer the VMware Server (I know that there is the Infrastructure Client). Now I can do it from within a browser (when the plugin finally works).

                   

                   

                  Regards, Patrick

                   

                   

                  • 21. Re: Are they going to bring back the Server Console?
                    sej7278 Enthusiast
                    phofmann wrote:

                     

                    I like it that the console application has been dropped since I had to boot up a VM with Winblows just to administer the VMware Server (I know that there is the Infrastructure Client). Now I can do it from within a browser (when the plugin finally works).

                     

                     

                    huh? with the console you did not need windows to admin the server - there was a linux gui as well as command line applications.

                     

                     

                    now with the web interface you have to use windows as the plugin only works on windows - as does infrastructure client. so now you have to somehow boot a windows vm to do anything with the web gui.

                     

                     

                    maybe i'm misunderstanding you, but you seem to have all of your points completely backwards!

                    • 22. Re: Are they going to bring back the Server Console?
                      devzero Master

                      on vmworld it has been told that vmware console has been cancelled. so it pointless to discuss any further

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