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1. Re: Ability to run ESX as a Workstation guest
DaveP Jan 6, 2007 6:05 AM (in response to richard6121)Well VMware actually do this, but not in release version. You can set the guestOS setting in the VMX file to be "vmkernel" , but it doesn't work in Workstation 5.5.3.
Dave
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2. Re: Ability to run ESX as a Workstation guest
richard6121 Jan 8, 2007 9:59 AM (in response to DaveP)I just tried it.... 6.0 beta doesn't like it either. Crashes with NOT_IMPLEMENTED.
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3. Re: Ability to run ESX as a Workstation guest
MayurPatel Jan 12, 2007 3:23 AM (in response to richard6121)For those who want to know.
For anyone wanting to develop their Altiris or similar automated installation of ESX You can use VM Workstation to test the install procedures before moving it to physical hardware.
I have needed to test unattended builds of ESX 2.x and VI3.x using Altiris and I used my standard Workstation 5.5.x. to do the PXE booting etc You will be able to install both versions but you will not be able to do much.
For 2.5.x version you will be able to even load the vmkernal but without storage available you can't do much. Whearas with VI3 the VMkernal will not load at all making the installation useless.
Hope this helps.
MP
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4. Re: Ability to run ESX as a Workstation guest
VirtualEntity Jan 29, 2007 12:55 PM (in response to richard6121)You have a screaming DL380 to spare? I'll take it....
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5. Re: Ability to run ESX as a Workstation guest
continuum Jan 29, 2007 1:36 PM (in response to richard6121)Has anyone tried if ESX runs (crawls) in Parallels or VirtualBox ?
By the way - VirtualBox can run inside a VMware session
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6. Re: Ability to run ESX as a Workstation guest
richard6121 Jan 29, 2007 2:18 PM (in response to continuum)I've heard that ESX will run inside a certain unnamed VM product written by a certain unnamed company in the northwest.
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7. Re: Ability to run ESX as a Workstation guest
saxa Jan 29, 2007 4:03 PM (in response to richard6121)It doesn't... Workstation and VMware Server don't run, too.
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8. Re: Ability to run ESX as a Workstation guest
saxa Jan 29, 2007 4:02 PM (in response to continuum)>>VirtualBox can run inside a VMware session
The XEN demo CD also runs inside the VMware Workstation guest; I could even start 2 VMs
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9. Re: Ability to run ESX as a Workstation guest
petr Jan 29, 2007 4:04 PM (in response to richard6121)With WS6.0 if you have right hardware (and enable couple of undocumented options to force WS to use 32bit VT) then you should be able to run ESX in a VM. Just note that it will be really slow once you'll start running VMs inside ESX, and you need to disable backdoor in "outer" VM as otherwise vmware-vmx on virtual ESX will refuse to poweron saying that powering on VM inside VM is not allowed.
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10. Re: Ability to run ESX as a Workstation guest
DaveP Jan 29, 2007 11:40 PM (in response to petr)So would I be getting close with these in the VMX file:
guestOS = "vmkernel"
isolation.tools.getPtrLocation.disable = "TRUE"
isolation.tools.setPtrLocation.disable = "TRUE"
monitor_control.vt32 = "TRUE"
This is from memory as not at a PC with my notes at present.
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11. Re: Ability to run ESX as a Workstation guest
DaveP Jan 30, 2007 9:43 AM (in response to DaveP)Ok there is obviously a setting missing. ESX 3.0.1 vmkernel starts but then seems to loop waiting from something. The log file has these messages:
Jan 30 17:40:33.886: vcpu-0| SEG_SS 1254 count=93
Jan 30 17:40:33.981: vcpu-0| SEG_SS 1254 count=94
Jan 30 17:40:34.092: vcpu-0| SEG_SS 1254 count=95
Jan 30 17:40:34.188: vcpu-0| SEG_SS 1254 count=96
Jan 30 17:40:34.299: vcpu-0| SEG_SS 1254 count=97
Jan 30 17:40:34.505: vcpu-0| SEG_SS 1254 count=98
Jan 30 17:40:34.601: vcpu-0| SEG_SS 1254 count=99[/code]
Same issue with other VMware products e.g. Player 1.0.3
Any chance of a final clue??
Dave
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12. Re: Ability to run ESX as a Workstation guest
ksc Jan 30, 2007 1:38 PM (in response to DaveP)Don't set the guestOS; "other 32-bit" is close enough.
Is the hardware correct? ESX requires 2 processors, SCSI (use lsilogic), and networking (use e1000).
There are more isolation options, but those shouldn't show up until you start up nested VMs.
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13. Re: Ability to run ESX as a Workstation guest
jmattson Jan 30, 2007 1:59 PM (in response to DaveP)Sorry, but the mptscsi_2xx driver in ESX 3.0.1 has some incompatibilities with the virtual lsilogic device in VMware products. It's just not going to work.
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14. Re: Ability to run ESX as a Workstation guest
DaveP Jan 31, 2007 2:52 AM (in response to jmattson)Shame about that!