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      • 15. Re: Fusion 10.1.6 and MacOS CATALINA?
        hollistonma Novice

        Will,


        I ran into the same black screen as others.  After much trial and error using the preview screen in Fusion, I was able to shut down the Windows guest.  Rather than continue trying to run 8.5.10 I opted to pay the upgrade price of $50 + tax and downloaded 11.5 to avoid future issues.

         

        I appreciate knowing the root cause so thank you.

        • 16. Re: Fusion 10.1.6 and MacOS CATALINA?
          aliengin Novice

          Can you elaborate "make sure you get Fusion listed in the security pane"? I installed VMWare Fusion 11.1.1 and allowed the app in security and privacy section, but it's still not listed in screen recording and didn't prompt any dialogs asking. I've been browsing this forum for a while now and the only solution seem to be working is upgrading, especially if you don't have much time.

           

          I can't define my motivation for not upgrading entirely financial. I just can't help feeling I'm paying a ransom to be able to access my work.

          • 17. Re: Fusion 10.1.6 and MacOS CATALINA?
            wila Guru
            vExpertCommunity WarriorsUser Moderators

            Hi,

             

            Did you try to boot a Windows VM with VMware Fusion 11.1.1 ?

            The request for the screen recording entitlement isn't made before you do.

             

            Re. ransom. I understand you feel that way, but in the end it is apple who changed the rules. If you don't update to Catalina then everything keeps working without a problem.

            Catalina introduces a lot of changes in the security model and quite frankly it also has a lot of bugs. The only machines I installed Catalina on are test machines.

             

            --

            Wil

            | Author of Vimalin. The virtual machine Backup app for VMware Desktop Products
            | Vimalin : Automated backups for VMware Fusion and VMware Workstation Professional
            | More info at https://www.vimalin.com
            | Twitter @wilva
            | VMware Wiki at http://www.vi-toolkit.com
            • 18. Re: Fusion 10.1.6 and MacOS CATALINA?
              dlhotka Virtuoso

              If you're on Catalina, definitely upgrade to 11.5.  That should re-trigger the warning, and get you (for free) up to a supported version.

              • 19. Re: Fusion 10.1.6 and MacOS CATALINA?
                wila Guru
                Community WarriorsUser ModeratorsvExpert

                FWIW VMware Fusion 11.5 does not need screen recording, so won't trigger the warning.

                 

                Also I think he/she only installed a trial of version 11 as an attempt to get an older version of Fusion working again after upgrading to Catalina.

                In that case you can install 11.5 if you want, but it still won't be a free upgrade.

                It is only free if you have a valid version of 11.0 or 11.1

                 

                --

                Wil

                | Author of Vimalin. The virtual machine Backup app for VMware Desktop Products
                | Vimalin : Automated backups for VMware Fusion and VMware Workstation Professional
                | More info at https://www.vimalin.com
                | Twitter @wilva
                | VMware Wiki at http://www.vi-toolkit.com
                • 20. Re: Fusion 10.1.6 and MacOS CATALINA?
                  dlhotka Virtuoso

                  Ahh, missed that.

                   

                  I hope VMWare converts to subscription licenses sometime soon - all this kludge to make old versions work just doesn't make sense.

                  • 21. Re: Fusion 10.1.6 and MacOS CATALINA?
                    wila Guru
                    vExpertCommunity WarriorsUser Moderators

                    Hi,

                     

                    I do not really think that it is great that people are trying to get older versions to work on Catalina.

                    If they don't wish to spent money on upgrades, the alternative is that the user switches to another virtualisation product.

                    Maybe good for the user, less ideal for VMware as that user is less likely to come back.

                     

                    So yes it certainly isn't great to use an older VMware Fusion product that has a number of known security vulnerabilities.

                    Perhaps a subscription model could help a bit there, although I think it would mostly benefit the business users.

                    Personally I think that those are the users who already don't mind paying for the upgrades.

                     

                    The home/private users however are IMO not such a great match for a subscription model. Of course it depends on a number of factors, such as what the actual price would be.

                    I do however think that we would still have people on the non subscription model 8 years from now, with basically the same old questions.

                     

                    FWIW as a user I'm _not_ a fan of subscriptions. As a company selling those subscriptions it is another story.

                    --

                    Wil

                    | Author of Vimalin. The virtual machine Backup app for VMware Desktop Products
                    | Vimalin : Automated backups for VMware Fusion and VMware Workstation Professional
                    | More info at https://www.vimalin.com
                    | Twitter @wilva
                    | VMware Wiki at http://www.vi-toolkit.com
                    • 22. Re: Fusion 10.1.6 and MacOS CATALINA?
                      sjesse Master
                      vExpert

                      Subscriptions always end up costing consumers more than the standard licenses ever did. I don't want every update, I generally use the software till it doesn't work for my needs anymore.

                      • 23. Re: Fusion 10.1.6 and MacOS CATALINA?
                        dlhotka Virtuoso

                        For me, as long as the price is roughly what the annual upgrade cost is, and there are compelling new features, it's wash financially, and provides predictable revenue for the company to fund development. 

                         

                        I view OS compatibility as a compelling new feature (when apple changes the OS, it takes time and money for the dev team to update the app to work properly).  Security fixes are something different. I do security for a living, so understand that they are critical, but since they can be viewed as a defect in the original product, it's not exactly a new feature.  That's why I actually prefer a subscription model as it creates a stronger incentive to get it right up front (lower maintenance costs).  Periodic licensing can actually create a perverse incentive to *not* get it right, since the security fixes can trigger upgrade spend.

                         

                        In any case, I appreciate that they've moved to a .5 model again this year, but fully expect that next year will be a paid upgrade again.  I have no expectation that a version from several years ago will continue to work.  One of the companies that I work with (not VMware!) had a huge outcry from people who'd last bought software 6 or 7 years ago.  They were outraged that an OS update was going to break their ancient versions, and were excoriating the company on social media.  The company privately told me that they didn't view those people as customers since they weren't buying (and wouldn't buy) software anyway.  That's a fair point, and that realization made it easier for them to transition to a subscription model - they weren't leaving customers behind, even if they were leaving users behind.

                         

                        It hit home recently when I suffered through the 'game-pocalypse' on Catalina.  A ton of my old mac games stopped working (and won't work in a VM because of the 3d graphics issue) - so all that spend is lost.  I'd be happy to pay for an upgrade, but the publisher isn't going to do it because most people won't, so there's no business case to justify the development. 

                        • 24. Re: Fusion 10.1.6 and MacOS CATALINA?
                          wila Guru
                          vExpertUser ModeratorsCommunity Warriors

                          Hi,

                           

                          I hear you and am agreeing with you on most points. It doesn't make me like subscriptions more though... with most types of subscriptions you are being forced to upgrade even if that upgrade takes things away that you liked. It's a model that IMO benefits the supplier slightly more than the customer.

                           

                          A bit off topic, but Catalina was a very expensive upgrade for my product (Vimalin), both in time as well as cost. However I did not ending up deciding to make it a "pay for" upgrade.
                          It's not always that black & white with costs versus benefits. There are more parts for that particular decision and I think VMware also does understand that quite well. Catalina must have been a painful transition for them, yet they did not pass that cost on to their customers.

                           

                          Of course you do prefer to have your customers keep on using a supported version of your product.

                          For VMware Fusion that version is 11.x and I do hope that most people in here trying to get older versions to work do not see that as a long term solution as the likeliness of them going to end up getting into trouble because of that decision increases over time.

                           

                          Anyways.. 'nuff said on this from my part

                          --

                          Wil

                          | Author of Vimalin. The virtual machine Backup app for VMware Desktop Products
                          | Vimalin : Automated backups for VMware Fusion and VMware Workstation Professional
                          | More info at https://www.vimalin.com
                          | Twitter @wilva
                          | VMware Wiki at http://www.vi-toolkit.com
                          • 25. Re: Fusion 10.1.6 and MacOS CATALINA?
                            dlhotka Virtuoso

                            And on mine! :-)

                             

                            Apple's mucking about with the file system, hopefully, is coming to an end for this iteration.

                            • 26. Re: Fusion 10.1.6 and MacOS CATALINA?
                              aliengin Novice

                              Hi,

                               

                              Yeah, I've booted the VM several times, even managed to use the preview in virtual machine library to click the right parts of the screen and reboot OS properly. Not sure if I ever completely shut it down though, I believe I only did reboots.

                               

                              I can't say I regret upgrading to Catalina because I didn't have any other issues since I upgraded, but I understand most of those bugs are not necessarily on the surface which makes me feel less secure to think about. Ended up upgrading Fusion anyways.

                               

                              Thanks,

                              Engin

                              • 27. Re: Fusion 10.1.6 and MacOS CATALINA?
                                pnoch Lurker

                                I have been using 8.5.10 on Catalina 10.15.1 for a while with no issue, the trick is through VNC, also native OSX got pretty impressive VNC which makes the experience quite seamless.

                                • 28. Re: Fusion 10.1.6 and MacOS CATALINA?
                                  Endeavour88 Lurker

                                  Guys, please go to:

                                   

                                  System Preferences --> Safety and Privacy

                                   

                                  And check if you have any request from VMWare at the bottom, it is mostly some permission you have to give to VMWare in order to see the windows screen, I hope this spares anybody some wasted time!

                                   

                                  Cheers

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