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      • 690. Re: vSphere Web Client is so bad that my experience managing and supporting VMware has turn to &^#$%@
        SANGuru201110141 Novice

        For those of you looking for a decent thick client, give VMWare Workstation a try. You can use it to connect to your Virtual Center, see all your VMs, connect using remote console, edit settings etc. Its really sleek and fast, and for day to day management of your virtual machines, it's a damn lot better than the web clients.

         

        Obviously, it's limited to managing virtual machines, if you need to manage your ESXi infrastructure, clusters, datastores, networks etc, you will still need to use the web client, but VMWare Workstation has definitely made about 70% of my work a LOT more pleasurable. I'm not shilling it, this is just from one administrator to another.

         

        I think you also get a free Workstation license if you have a VCP, so no harm in trying it out.

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        • 691. Re: vSphere Web Client is so bad that my experience managing and supporting VMware has turn to &^#$%@
          TinkDTV Novice

          The short answer is they are choosing to be tone def and blind to customer feedback out of ignorance and stubbornness, even at vmworld they were dismissive.

          I have asked the developers repeatedly to look at the C# aka Fat client and compare and contrast, when in person you can literally see that this never once occurred to them.  It's not hard to see that the developers have never actually managed an environment of any size with these tools they are creating.

          • 692. Re: vSphere Web Client is so bad that my experience managing and supporting VMware has turn to &^#$%@
            jleopold Lurker

            Chiming in. The vSphere thick client is far superior to the web client with respect to reliability, functionality, appearance, feel, and ease of use.  The web client is completely awful.

            • 693. Re: vSphere Web Client is so bad that my experience managing and supporting VMware has turn to &^#$%@
              hostasaurus Enthusiast

              Come on, the web client makes for a much more exciting environment.  You never quite know if you are about to apply a change to the wrong system since half the time what you click on and what it displays are two different things.  Vmware is doing a great job ensuring maintenance is no longer routine, and that change control meetings are much more interesting when staff have to explain how they could possibly have done what they did.

              • 694. Re: vSphere Web Client is so bad that my experience managing and supporting VMware has turn to &^#$%@
                TBKing Enthusiast

                Still at 6.0 and using c# for most things.  But on occasion we have to fire up the web pos.

                 

                On one such occasion, the web client was hosed - again.  I called for support and they said Use the thick client until they figure out what's wrong.

                 

                Dreading the day we move to 6.5 or 6.7 and all will have to be web.

                • 695. Re: vSphere Web Client is so bad that my experience managing and supporting VMware has turn to &^#$%@
                  techuser78 Lurker

                  Hello all, I am just checking in here, is the web client still a complete POS as of Jan 2019?  

                   

                  We are still on 6.0 due to the absolute mess the web console was with 6.5.  I initially tried to use 6.5 but very quickly decided to stay with 6.0 due to the number of issues discussed in this thread.

                   

                  I would like to try to move forward this year with finally upgrading our old 6.0 vcenter and hosts, but I am still quite hesitant.

                   

                  What is the general consensus now, are most still avoiding the upgrade from 6.0 or has the web client become somewhat useable?

                  • 696. Re: vSphere Web Client is so bad that my experience managing and supporting VMware has turn to &^#$%@
                    kwg66 Enthusiast

                    Minor issues still exist and crop up periodically.   But I don't really expect they will be properly fixed at this point but are simply things to live with.  VMware is too busy moving forward to fix what's been broken in the past.  I wouldn't hold up an upgrade based on the functionality of the web client, you just have to get used to it. 

                    • 697. Re: vSphere Web Client is so bad that my experience managing and supporting VMware has turn to &^#$%@
                      billwhe Lurker

                      I'll start by saying that no one hated the web client as much as I did when it first came out.  Even in 6.0 it was terrible.

                       

                      We are now running 6.5 U2 and I have to say... the web client is pretty good.  Many of the items have been re-arranged again to better match the layout of the C# client and overall it's pretty quick and responsive.

                       

                      One of the things I hated most about the web client was how long it took the "recent tasks" panel to update (if it even updated at all.)  We run Horizon View and I heavily relied on "recent tasks" being in real time to help troubleshoot View when things went wrong.  In the latest 6.5 client, I'm getting pretty much real time scrolling of events, which makes managing View a lot easier.

                       

                      The original web client was released way too early and it wasn't even close to ready for prime-time, but at this moment, I'm fairly pleased with how it has panned out.

                      • 698. Re: vSphere Web Client is so bad that my experience managing and supporting VMware has turn to &^#$%@
                        sk84 Expert
                        vExpert

                        What is the general consensus now, are most still avoiding the upgrade from 6.0 or has the web client become somewhat useable?

                        I think the most people are at least on 6.5 U2 or 6.7. At least, all infrastructures I know.

                         

                        But I find it interesting that in the year 2019 and at the time of vSphere 6.7 U1 ( ! ) this discussion is still going on and that there are still people who stopped at version 6.0 because they didn't like the vSphere Web client or because a single feature was broken. Especially if it's just the web console. I mean, who needs this console longer than 5 minutes? Apart from that, there was always an alternative: VMRC.

                         

                        And the first release of the vSphere Web Client with ESXi 5.1 is now 4 or 5 years ago. And it has been constantly developed and improved. Of course there were always new bugs and regressions. That's how it is in the software development of complex programs. And one can argue surely whether it was not already foreseeable that Flash is a dead horse at that time.

                         

                        But let's be honest. The HTML5 based vSphere client exists now for almost 2 years and meanwhile (at the time of vSphere 6.7) all common features are implemented with very few exceptions. That means that the new vSphere client can be used for at least 95% of all daily work.

                         

                        By the way, End of general support for vSphere 6.0 is March, 2020. I hope by then this annoying topic about the ugly, unusable, slow, whatever vSphere Web Client will finally be done. ;-)

                        • 699. Re: vSphere Web Client is so bad that my experience managing and supporting VMware has turn to &^#$%@
                          continuum Guru
                          User ModeratorsvExpertCommunity Warriors

                          > I hope by then this annoying topic about the ugly, unusable, slow, whatever vSphere Web Client will finally be done. ;-)

                           

                          I believe this post is necessary.
                          A product management that replaces a solid working implementation of their main-admin interface with a work-in-progress project deserves and apparently needs a post like this one.

                           

                          > The HTML5 based vSphere client exists now for almost 2 years and meanwhile (at the time of vSphere 6.7) all common features are implemented with very few exceptions.
                          > That means that the new vSphere client can be used for at least 95% of all daily work.

                          Thats still 5 % less than expected after 2 long years. Not everybody would call that progress.

                          • 700. Re: vSphere Web Client is so bad that my experience managing and supporting VMware has turn to &^#$%@
                            sk84 Expert
                            vExpert

                            A product management that replaces a solid working implementation of their main-admin interface with a work-in-progress project deserves and apparently needs a post like this one.

                            Originally this post certainly made sense. I think most people agree that the vSphere Web Client in earlier versions had many problems and was not yet ready for production. But now, I don't think that this should be an issue anymore.

                             

                            Thats still 5 % less than expected after 2 long years. Not everybody would call that progress.

                            That's a valid point. I suspect VMware didn't want to make the same mistake again and launch a new client prematurely.

                             

                            And the remaining 5% is more because of third-party extensions that haven't been fully integrated into the new vSphere client yet. For example all NSX management functions. For vSphere itself all features are fully implemented since release of version 6.7 U1.

                            • 701. Re: vSphere Web Client is so bad that my experience managing and supporting VMware has turn to &^#$%@
                              chrmaier Novice

                              For vSphere itself all features are fully implemented since release of version 6.7 U1.

                              No, they are not. Try to standardize a couple of hosts in parallel with the Update Manager. Where are the options for it?

                              There are some similar examples here and there.

                              • 702. Re: vSphere Web Client is so bad that my experience managing and supporting VMware has turn to &^#$%@
                                sk84 Expert
                                vExpert

                                Try to standardize a couple of hosts in parallel with the Update Manager. Where are the options for it?

                                 

                                Apparently VMware has decided that users should no longer use this parallel host remediation feature in the new vSphere client. See:

                                We have also removed some settings from being modified such as the ability for parallel host remediation and the ability to disable Quick Boot.

                                vSphere Update Manager Enhancements in vSphere 6.7 Update 1 - VMware vSphere Blog

                                 

                                It is therefore not "missing" in the actual sense, because it is an intended design or workflow change with the new vSphere Client. At this point, however, I also wonder about the reason for this "intended" change.

                                • 703. Re: vSphere Web Client is so bad that my experience managing and supporting VMware has turn to &^#$%@
                                  chrmaier Novice

                                  The Flex client can do a parallel remediation in 6.7 U1. That's really strange. Another useful feature that VMware means to know we don't need it.

                                  • 704. Re: vSphere Web Client is so bad that my experience managing and supporting VMware has turn to &^#$%@
                                    hyvokar Enthusiast

                                    Just installed the latest 6.7 vcenter today. It seems that you cannot remove a floppy drive with html5 client from a VM. How old was this web shit again?
                                    Also, visited some legacy systems last week and was privileged to use old thick client. My god it's FAST. It's like jumping in a Ferrari after cruising around with a Lada for a couple of years.

                                     

                                    Also, had to buy bigger screens, since 1920x1080 isn't clearly enough for doing network stuff in web client. Was perfectly OK with thick client.