I went to 6.5 recently and I'm finally forced to feel the pain of the web client. I avoided it for so many years and now there's no way out.
The best I could do to help mitigate some of the headaches is to use my VMware Workstation installation to connect to my vcenter server so at least my VMs show up in a thick interface again. It helps a bit but this is really unfortunate. I hope VMware does the right thing and maintains several clients. Is it that costly to maintain several client applications? Not only that if you had to kill off one of them I would think you'd choose the least popular one.
I have to agree, best post title so far. As for the web client, I definitely have to agree there is no good option. The C# client has become so bloated it's almost useless and the web client has never been very good. I have tried vSphere 6.5 and the HTML client, but even not having the Flash component the experience is not the greatest.
Through both my work setup (17 vCenters, 500+ hosts, 10k+ VMs globally) and the home lab I am pretty sure that no matter what, this problem will persist until the underlying Java code is fixed. I can't even begin to count how many times we have to tweak the java heap settings because we added a plugin, or a few extra folks are logging in, or someone's using the Perl or Python SDK's (please make those go away!). Almost every other day we have to restart the webclient service on the VCSA due to either an SSO failure, taking 5 minutes to switch from the summary tab to the management tab on a host, or just getting the lovely "something happened, reload " error message.
My only viable solution thus far, use PowerCLI for management tasks. I'm comfortable with CLI, having a strong Unix/Linux background, but PowerCLI seems to be rock solid, does what I need without hesitation, and I don't need to constantly restart services or wait 5 minutes just to switch to the management tab. I will admit it was a learning curve but way back when VMware first hinted at dumping the C# client I made the switch.
Hopefully VMware does fix the web client and makes it rock solid because it's the central focus of 90% of the vRealize and vCloud suites and is an integral part of the product overall. Don't let someone else eat your lunch because of a bad UI...
Thank you for the screenshot, and now I get it. We refer to this as the 'Host Client', and it has slightly different usability than the vSphere Web Client which is for vCenter. I will pass your feedback onto the appropriate folks, apologies for my misunderstanding.
Hi hyvokar, franktroeger,
A) Regarding Scaling issues: Usually this type of issue happens when using browser zoom. Are you using a browser zoom, OS desktop scaling, or anything that might affect this? This works much better in the new HTML5 based vSphere Client as well, since it's not dependent on the way Flash player decides to scale.
B) "Btw. every time I migrate my vcenter server, the web client makes me log back in again." - How often are you migrating your vCenter, and what's the reason?
C) Uploading: Do you receive an error message? What version of VC is this on?
1) "Error on 6.5b" - Can you tell me what screen this is? It looks like [vCenter] -> Configure -> General, is that right?
2) Is the error repeatable?
3) Does the page ever load? Is a screenshot of that shareable that might indicate something unique to your environment that might be generating the error?
a) I have desktop scaling set to 125
B) for host maintenance, at this point more often than I'd like to, but this is because of dell.
c) latest vc (6.5d)
The operation failed for an undetermined reason. Typically this problem occurs due to certificates that the browser does not trust. If you are using self-signed or custom certificates, open the URL below in a new browser tab and accept the certificate, then retry the operation.
update to 6.5d fixed the error message and the permissions and the empty permission tabs, now everything seems to work as expected.
Scaling issue is confirmed -> my fault. thanks for the hint.
1) "Error on 6.5b" - Can you tell me what screen this is? It looks like [vCenter] -> Configure -> General, is that right? -> Yes this i right!
And yes Page loaded successully in 99 out of 100. i guess its an issue in 6.5b on Win with ad as machine account.
But heres the point i wasted 2 days seeking browser issues because i am not shure anymore if this effects are browser related or vcenter bug related.
Which is a mess for real. And thats what this Topic about you take us the chance to decide if its a configuration issue or bug in vcenter because we see 1000 errors in different browsers and 999 just dissappear on refresh / reload.
can you make configure -> networking -> virtual switches work like in the thick client where you can instantly see, what networks are in which switch. Now I have to click each switch to figure out what they contain.
One of the biggest issues for me is that the web-client is based on proprietary and insecure platforms (Flash), which means that the Browser and/or Adobe could make changes at any time, rendering client connectivity impossible.
I would like to bring up another issue with this complete and utter disaster VMware has pushed on its community -
I log into a vCenter 6.02 installation using the web client, and want to deploy OVF, but I need to install client integration plugin to do this, and after doing this, I re-open the browser (IE11) and try to deploy the OVF again and get the same message stating I need to install the plugin.. ok, didn't I just do this? Where is the KB that helps me get this working? I would appreciate it if someone has seen one please share the link..
SO finally, I get it working in chrome, and I get my OVF deployed. Great! But still not working in IE 11, I'd love to fix this since I still like to use IE.
So now I am working in vCenter 6.02 web client using chrome, and I have a new vCenter 6.5b vCenter installation I want to manage, but when I try to connect I actually get a message that states Adobe flash is not installed... WHAT!?!?!?!? I'm already working in vCenter 6.02! how can I be getting this message now, its installed and working already!
Love to hear the resolution to this one...
This is the example of the daily BS admins have to work in EVERY DAY. How much more of this are we going to have to tolerate?
I would highly suggest VMware get this cleaned up and fast. A good start would be to gather all of the issues people encounter and create a single KB that addresses all of it, in detail, in a manner that allows users of all abilities to easily navigate and understand. this would be a good start.
I'm getting really tired of searching google for solutions for this CRAP.
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When adding networking, entering IP like "10.10.10.1" should be able to use spacebar to get to the next field.
Now I have to type 10 <change field with mouse> 10 <change field with mouse> 10 <change field with mouse> 1
When it should be done quickly by 10-space-10-space-10-space-1.
1) We can look into the Networking redesign. Have you had a chance to try the HTML5 based vSphere Client? We've made some redesigns there, I'm not sure if this view was specifically one of them.
2) I'm guessing the sorting issue you're referring to is 'numeric' vs 'alphabetical' issue. We are working on this, thank you for pointing out this case.
3) IP Address entry: We can look into this too. Does Tab work here?