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    workstation 12 has no unity mode for linux hosts or guests

    matthewls Hot Shot

      It's in the release notes :

      "The following features have reached end of life in Workstation 12 Pro and have been removed:

      • Unity mode on Linux guest and host operating systems "

      This is a terrible decision and will keep me from buying the upgrade. I use linux to host windows guests in unity mode and very much want this feature.


      Thanks,

      Matthew

        • 1. Re: workstation 12 has no unity mode for linux hosts or guests
          wila Guru
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          Wow, that's insane..not that it worked well lately, but I would have expected to see it improved not removed.

          I wonder what the reasoning behind that decision is.

           

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          • 2. Re: workstation 12 has no unity mode for linux hosts or guests
            Ryan Ware Lurker

            This is extremely disappointing to see.  Apparently I won't be upgrading either my Workstation Pro or Fusion Pro products.

            • 3. Re: workstation 12 has no unity mode for linux hosts or guests
              mfelker Expert

              See this link in the VMware Player forum.  They killed it (supposedly) because nobody used it.  Frankly I don't believe it.  More likely they are phasing out Linux support altogether

               

              They killed unity mode in VMWare Player 12. Can I get the installer for Player 7

              • 4. Re: workstation 12 has no unity mode for linux hosts or guests
                wila Guru
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                Hi Martin,

                 

                If VMware phases out linux support they will loose a lot of customers. There's a lot of linux servers running on VMware products.

                What you're saying here makes no sense to me.

                They even just started their own distribution (Photon).

                 

                My tendency is to believe Darius here and that is that unity on linux wasn't that much used.

                Although I wonder how they got those metrics (I rarely leave telemetry stuff enabled myself and know I'm not the only one)

                AFAIK there's only one developer working on the unity feature and his time must be needed on other areas.

                 

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                • 5. Re: workstation 12 has no unity mode for linux hosts or guests
                  mfelker Expert

                  You probably have much more information on Linux development at VMware (since you think there is only one developer working on Unity - guess his workload has been reduced!).  Sure there are a lot of Linux servers but there but  probably more Linux developers who use VMware for their work.  Right now I guess most of the Linux servers are running a conservative OS with a 3.x kernel and gcc 4.9.x.  Some people on this and  the Player forum have already stated that because  lack of Unity capability in Linux they are not going to upgrade to WS 12.  When VMware sayhs WS 12 has compatibility with Ubuntu family 15.10 I'll believe they are serious about Linux.  However , at least for a few days WS  shows no software compatibility with any OS (including for example Windows Server 2016 TP3 - which I am using on Windows 10 Preview Build using WS 11.1.2).  Basically I'll grant I'm only reading tea leaves but WS on Linux OS is a non-stater for me.  Linux guest with kernel 4.2 work on WS 11 in Windows - although VMware tools have been moved to open-vm-tools.   HIstorically WS at one point could be installed on OS/2 - they dumped that support and many people were not happy. 

                  • 6. Re: workstation 12 has no unity mode for linux hosts or guests
                    wila Guru
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                    Martin,

                     

                    Don't think I have that much more info as you. I got my info on this from the forums.

                    VMware tends to focus on what is needed at production and even then it might be a little behind. This is no different as with the windows OS guest, except they will have more resources to patch things up if it is needed.

                     

                    Taking your ubuntu example, I don't think much production servers are running ubuntu 15.10, there are however tons of servers running 14.04.

                     

                    The problem with the linux kernel module API is that it isn't as stable as the other OS's, things break if you don't fix them.

                    I agree with you that they can do better in that area by being closer to the kernel and its changes. That pretty much is what open-vm-tools is about and I would expect that to work.

                    The main missing part there now is the host-guest filesystem. As has been mentioned on this forum before they intend to move that driver to be an inbox driver as well.

                     

                    For linux support, things are moving in the right direction (most of the time) but very very slowly.

                    Ripping out the unity support however is a big mistake in my opinion, it does make the competitors products more attractive.

                    Even free software (virtualbox) can do it.

                     

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                    • 7. Re: workstation 12 has no unity mode for linux hosts or guests
                      mfelker Expert

                      I agree with what you.  But again as for Linux OS support it is what I think I said.  Organizations will definitely use more stable and well-tried OS's.  Ubuntu 14.04 LTS is such an OS.  There have been "services" for that OS - don't know what they are however.  For a user who likes to live on the edge Linux support is woeful.  WS 11 is officially supported for Ubuntu 14.10.  Since I don't have multiple monitors with super high resolution WS 12 enchanments don't make a difference to me but basic features - like Unity do matter.

                       

                      I did look and WS 12 is now in the host/guest compatibly guide - the support up to Ubuntu 14.10.  This is OK but again part of the usefulness of WS is the ability to safely install it on many bleeding edge software.

                       

                      An interesting side note.  The current version of VirtualBox i- 5.02 -s not yet supported for Windows 10 so VMware beats that alternative.  I can confirm it doesn't work on my machine on Windows 10 - but strangely it doles work on Windows Server 2016. Vmware  WS 11  on 2016 as well

                      • 8. Re: workstation 12 has no unity mode for linux hosts or guests
                        matthewls Hot Shot

                        Luckily there are alternatives. Most obvious is ws 11, which still runs fine.

                        • 9. Re: workstation 12 has no unity mode for linux hosts or guests
                          Faize Enthusiast

                          There are many languishing, half-working features in Workstation which have gradually gotten more and more stale over time (the inability to hide the tray icon on Windows hosts as well as broken audio on Ubuntu guests immediately come to mind as examples), but VMware has never removed any of those - the very existence of the option at least provides some hope that either VMware will get around to fixing it one day or (more likely) the community will discover a workaround allowing said feature to continue to be used.

                           

                          In fact, I can't remember any other time where VMware outright removed an existing feature from Workstation without providing some sort of substitute/alternative - even if the provided substitute/alternative might end up being disliked by users - so I'm shocked that they'd do this.

                           

                          Between VMware's unbelievably rapid upgrade cycle these days (11 was released what, 9 months ago? And they already want another $149 from me?) and my need for Unity with Linux guests, I won't be upgrading to WS 12 either.

                          • 10. Re: workstation 12 has no unity mode for linux hosts or guests
                            matthewls Hot Shot

                            There is also virtualbox (upgraded recently to 5.0.4).

                            • 11. Re: workstation 12 has no unity mode for linux hosts or guests
                              continuum Guru
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                              > In fact, I can't remember any other time where VMware outright removed an existing feature from Workstation without providing some sort of substitute/alternative

                              It is not the first time - the ACE-features of WS 7 were removed completely - several versions later some of those features were re-added but they are still not as mature as that ACE-feature of WS 7.
                              Early versions also had a feature ti record videos of your running VMs. This worked very well - it even included the audio.
                              Later versions then first messed up the audio, in a later version the video function also became buggy and another version later it completely disappeared

                               

                              Last week I had .to do a recovery job for a Workstation 7 installation. That was fun - vmware-vdiskmanager -R still was able to do a repair ...
                              That feature became buggy in 8 and in 9, 10 and 11 it is just a bluff - doing nothing.
                              As far as I heard in WS 12 there have been fixes to that important feature - dont know if they are good enough though.

                              • 12. Re: workstation 12 has no unity mode for linux hosts or guests
                                mfelker Expert

                                At one time VMware supported (albeit in beta) OS/2 hosts.  That support was dropped and no reason given but they lost a few customers - just like the Unity feature.  I really don't think they care to much.

                                • 13. Re: workstation 12 has no unity mode for linux hosts or guests
                                  Faize Enthusiast

                                  > It is not the first time - the ACE-features of WS 7 were removed completely - several versions later some of those features were re-added but they are still not as mature as that ACE-feature of WS 7.


                                  I had considered the sordid saga of ACE to be one of those things that was "replaced by an inferior substitute" but I had forgotten (and still can't seem to recall) that they were completely removed at one point. I have a pretty spotty memory though, so I'm sure you're right.


                                  > Early versions also had a feature ti record videos of your running VMs. This worked very well - it even included the audio.

                                  Later versions then first messed up the audio, in a later version the video function also became buggy and another version later it completely disappeared


                                  This probably all happened before I started using Workstation as I don't recall there ever being a video recording function.

                                  • 14. Re: workstation 12 has no unity mode for linux hosts or guests
                                    Faize Enthusiast

                                    > At one time VMware supported (albeit in beta) OS/2 hosts.  That support was dropped and no reason given but they lost a few customers - just like the Unity feature.  I really don't think they care to much.

                                     

                                    Probably. VMware is a company after all, so it makes sense that they would focus on the high visibility stuff which they think will give them a competitive advantage. There's been little competition around the Unity feature since Windows on a Mac stopped being news, so it's only logical that they would choose to allocate their resources elsewhere.


                                    Simply judging from the kinds of features that VMware has added in recent Workstation releases, I would bet that Linux as either host or guest isn't in very much demand in comparison to Windows.

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