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      • 75. Re: ESXi 5.5 Free Hypervisor Web Console
        JarryG Expert

        Come on man, be fair in your judgement! ESXi-hypervisor still *IS* free product, and you *CAN* manage it with native client. The only big problem is "mousetrap" VMware created: once you upgrade VM-hardware to the version 10, you can no longer edit it with native client.

         

        And there is one more small problem: with ESXi-hypervisor 5.1 you can create (and edit!) VM of the version 09. With 5.5 only up to version 08 (if despite of big warning you upgrade VM to the version 10, it is no more editable with native client). Strange, because in this aspect 5.1->5.5 hypervisor upgrade looks more like "downgrade".

         

        But you can still stay with ESXi 5.1U1 if you like. And it is honest to say 5.5-hypervisor brought also some positive things (i.e. no more 32GB limit).

        • 76. Re: ESXi 5.5 Free Hypervisor Web Console
          Gabrie Master
          vExpert

          Statement from VMware PR departement:

           

          Yes, this is a known issue.  Unfortunately, it will continue to be an issue until we provide a version of the web client that can be used to manage hosts directly. 

           

          See http://kb.vmware.com/kb/1010675

          Here's an excerpt from the KB:

          Note: In a vSphere 5.5 environment, you must use the vSphere Web Client to upgrade the virtual hardware to version 10. However, when the virtual machine is using hardware version 10, you cannot edit the settings of the virtual machine if you connect directly to an ESXi host with the vSphere Client. You must use the vSphere Web Client or connect to vCenter Server with the vSphere Client. If you connect directly to an ESXi host using the vSphere Client and attempt to edit virtual machine settings, you see the error:
          You cannot use the vSphere client to edit the settings of virtual machines of version 10 or higher. Use the vSphere Web Client to edit the settings of this virtual machine.
          • 77. Re: ESXi 5.5 Free Hypervisor Web Console
            athompson88 Novice

            Thanks for the info from the PR department. It is good to confirm that it is on the radar, and they are at least moving in the direction of providing a web-client that can manage hosts directly.

            • 78. Re: ESXi 5.5 Free Hypervisor Web Console
              jkopp Novice

              @allanregistos

               

              I have to assume that your conclusions were drawn from using the product without applying a software license.  VMWare will provide you with a free software license that bascially removes all advanced features.  All that's left is 8-way virtual SMP.  This means after applying my license, I can still create and mange guests with up to 8 logical processors and as much RAM as I'd like to assign (no more 32GB maximum) and can edit the hardware via the GUI client provided I don't upgrade the guest harware to v10.  I'm going to attempt to sway your decisions, but I totally disagree with your conclusion and ask that you give it another look.

              • 79. Re: ESXi 5.5 Free Hypervisor Web Console
                ThomasFranke Novice

                @allanregistos


                I totally disagree! I've seen customers of all sizes running production servers on ESXi free where features like vMotion and HA are not needed, e.g. for terminal servers. The removal of the 32GB RAM restriction makes it even more interesting now. The free version also does a great job for small companies that start using virtualization and for test environments (that can be production environments from the hypervisor perspective).


                We all are aware now of the HW10 issue so it's something we can manage. And ESXi still is the best hypervisor available.

                • 80. Re: ESXi 5.5 Free Hypervisor Web Console
                  allanregistos Novice

                  jkopp wrote:

                   

                  @allanregistos

                   

                  I have to assume that your conclusions were drawn from using the product without applying a software license.  VMWare will provide you with a free software license that bascially removes all advanced features.  All that's left is 8-way virtual SMP.  This means after applying my license, I can still create and mange guests with up to 8 logical processors and as much RAM as I'd like to assign (no more 32GB maximum) and can edit the hardware via the GUI client provided I don't upgrade the guest harware to v10.  I'm going to attempt to sway your decisions, but I totally disagree with your conclusion and ask that you give it another look.

                  @ Thanks for correcting me.  I thought if the hypervisor can no longer be managed with a GUI client after the trial period expires. I've seen the license key, but don't know how am I going to apply it (See below how). I have used VMware Servers 1.x and 2.x in the past and its easy to apply a license via a gui.

                   

                  @   .  Thanks for clarifying. I now retracted my earlier conclusions regarding vSphere Hypervisor.

                   

                  Regards,

                  Allan

                   

                  (Edit: Free license applied via Configuration tab, License Features link of the vSphere client.)

                  • 81. Re: ESXi 5.5 Free Hypervisor Web Console
                    mldmld Hot Shot

                    Hi all,

                    I looked here : http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=2046082

                    When using Free ESXi 5.5, there is no many improvement to use hardware v10.

                    I think one may stay on hardware 8.

                    • 82. Re: ESXi 5.5 Free Hypervisor Web Console
                      athompson88 Novice

                      Part of it is certainly the hardware v10 support, but a great benefit of the free hypervisor, as an enthusiast or small-business, is being able to manage your architecture as you would with a pay-license, even if certain features are disabled. If vmware wants users to move to a web-based management system, then that's the type of management system the free license should support as well. For example, Red Hat, Oracle and MS SQL Server all have free offerings, but the tools used to manage them are the same as the tools you would use for an enterprise level infrastructure.

                      • 83. Re: ESXi 5.5 Free Hypervisor Web Console
                        jababr Novice

                        Well, I think it's great to use esxi 5.5, even with the limitation of the hardware functions v10. But I'm sad because I can not test these new functions for longer than the period of review in the same way I do with other features such as: expanding the memory limit, update vmware-tools, among others.

                        In short, almost not worth it to upgrade to 5.5 since it has to improve is not available freely as titled.

                         

                        hugs

                        • 84. Re: ESXi 5.5 Free Hypervisor Web Console
                          sh0ck-wave Lurker

                          If VMware released v10 support for the free product, why would you buy it ?

                          The 'latest' of anything is reserved for the paying customers.

                          The 'free' users have access to tech from a couple version back.

                          Many companies use this.

                          Sure VMware may have been scant in their divulgence of information regarding this, but I can see that .. in the end .. we're using something for free so there's a bit of 'suck it and see' involved.

                          The migrating from Workstation to Free locking it down to v10 is anoying though, and this should have been documented.

                          • 85. Re: ESXi 5.5 Free Hypervisor Web Console
                            allanregistos Novice

                            The 'latest' of anything is reserved for the paying customers.

                            The 'free' users have access to tech from a couple version back.

                            Many companies use this.

                            If I'd already knew this, I should have downloaded the lower version, but now its too late, I already have 5.5 installed.  I am using VMware because it has an excellent conversion tool.  VMware really provide excellent tools for physical to virtual migration path,  I think thats what most companies needed since they must have legacy operating systems/apps thats impossible to replicate, and the only thing thats needed is to convert them to VMs as what I've done.

                             

                            Regards...

                            Allan

                            • 86. Re: ESXi 5.5 Free Hypervisor Web Console
                              jababr Novice

                              Really, I would not buy license if I could have it all for free. But in previous versions, the restriction of "free" version was the number of processor cores and amount of RAM for virtual machines, which precluded the use of scale in production, but allowed to do actual tests on structures much smaller hardware, with limited processing and memory. This allowed me, for example, to test a given system in a smaller, separate production environment, with the same resources (on a smaller scale) available in the production environment.
                              In this new version (5.5) is no longer possible, because I'm not available on a smaller scale, the same resources, which forces me to do one of two things: Buy an additional license for tests only out of production or else do direct test in the production and risk of "messing in what's working."

                               

                              Thank´s

                              • 87. Re: ESXi 5.5 Free Hypervisor Web Console
                                Cougar281 Novice

                                The main problem with the whole situation isn't so much the lack of the new v10 only features, or the lack of the web console in the free version. The biggest problem is the fact that if you use the full client to manage the free hypervisor, which you have to do, and say you're on v4 virtual hardware but need/want to upgrade to v8 - How do you do it? If you use the console to upgrade (Right-Click > Upgrade Virtual Hardware), it'll take you right to v10 and you're screwed (yes, there are ways to fix it, but it's not 'right click - downgrade'). This wouldn't really be an issue if either A) The console would only upgrade the machine to v8 or v9, which can still be managed with it, or B) It prompted you, asking which version you wanted to go to like the web console does.

                                 

                                Personally, I'm not overly fond of the web console for a variety of reasons. I'd MUCH rather use the 'old' client...

                                 

                                The other argument to VMware with regards to what's free and what isn't is that with Hyper-V, you pretty much get all the features you'd get with VMware's Essentials Plus package for free. Two such examples are live Migration (Essentials plus or higher) and Live Storage migration (Standard or above as of now - I think it used to be Enterprise or Enterprise Plus in the past). Essentials is a joke - you pay ~$500 to get the web console.

                                 

                                VMware makes a great product, but it just seems like they want to price themselves out of the market.

                                • 88. Re: ESXi 5.5 Free Hypervisor Web Console
                                  Phatsta Enthusiast

                                  I just converted a powered on machine with vmware converter to an esxi 5.5 host, and had no idea about this problem, so I overlooked the hardware version which by default gets set to 10. This of course resulted in not being able to edit the vm. I solved it by converting the vm to a new vm, changing the hardware version to 9 in the process. Just in case anyone finds themselves in the same situation. Hope it helps.

                                  • 89. Re: ESXi 5.5 Free Hypervisor Web Console
                                    vlho Hot Shot

                                    Hi,

                                     

                                    here:

                                    http://www.v-front.de/2014/02/how-to-uprade-your-vms-virtual-hardware.html

                                    is guide how to upgrade your VMs virtual harware to only version 9.

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