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      • 60. Re: ESXi 5.5 Free Hypervisor Web Console
        allanregistos Novice

        Hi,

         

        I've installed vSphere Hypervisor 5.5 thinking that I can manage it freely, as VMware advertised the free product in their website:

         

        Built-in Management Tool

        Create and provision your virtual machines easily and within minutes.

         

         

         

        How could I create if there is no way I can manage this 'FREE' after 60 days? I tried the vSphere  CLI, but I cannot find a way to manage a VM, and theres an ..apps/ directory, but I can't just make it work.
        • 61. Re: ESXi 5.5 Free Hypervisor Web Console
          ancoleman Novice

          You can still use the vSphere 5.5 client (C++) to manage your ESXi 5.5 host. You just will not have the ability to use the newest features added. However, most features that were added arent even available to ESXi free anyway.... So really you not losing out. Now if you want to use the latest virtual hardware (10 i think) you would need the Web Client which is only available via vCenter at the moment.

          • 62. Re: ESXi 5.5 Free Hypervisor Web Console
            allanregistos Novice

            ancoleman wrote:

             

            You can still use the vSphere 5.5 client (C++) to manage your ESXi 5.5 host. You just will not have the ability to use the newest features added. However, most features that were added arent even available to ESXi free anyway.... So really you not losing out. Now if you want to use the latest virtual hardware (10 i think) you would need the Web Client which is only available via vCenter at the moment.

            Thank you, ancoleman... You mean, the vSphere 5.5 client at least will work after 60 days...  Two of the reasons why I will be using the free hypervisor is that Vmware first provided us a very friendly conversion tool. I've managed to convert the ancient two Win NT machines and saved them from their aging hardware many years ago.  Second, there is no easy way to convert these machines to become xen guests, I've tried but failed. With vSphere, OVF import works perfect.  Now I am looking at XenServer, since these are production servers.

             

            Thanks again.

            • 63. Re: ESXi 5.5 Free Hypervisor Web Console
              Gabrie Master
              vExpert

              Please rethink your XenServer strategy very thoroughly. Already have two customers asking me to help them migrate away from XenServer to VMware. Yes, there is extra cost compared to running XenServer, but I think it is worth every penny. Have you looked at the small business bundles VMware offers?

               

              If you still want to go with XenServer, do step in a service pack lower then available and do test some upgrades before going live. I have seen admins cry going from XenServer 5.5 to 6.

              • 64. Re: ESXi 5.5 Free Hypervisor Web Console
                allanregistos Novice

                Thanks there, Gabrie. I cannot still figure this out to use Free vSphere in a production server, since most of you here was using it in labs.  I have vSphere 5.5 running now on IBM System x3100 M4 server (32Gb), this is an entry-level IBM server.  Tried Xenserver but it won't boot after install even using SATA compatibility mode.  So I am left with pure CentOS or (Ubuntu 12.04 server?) then add KVM later. The problem is my ancient two Windows NT machines. These two guests can only be run using a VMware product.  If the alternative provided us with a conversion tool, this should not be a problem, KVM's conversion tool last I tried is a pain, VMware here so far is superior in terms of converting Physical or Virtual machines. Haven't tried Hyper-V's conversion tool.

                • 65. Re: ESXi 5.5 Free Hypervisor Web Console
                  Gabrie Master
                  vExpert

                  To manage the free ESXi just make a connection to the server on https://hostname. You should see a link to download the vSphere client on that page. Once you downloaded the vSphere Client (runs only on Windows) you can install the client and connect to the host using the root account. Be careful not to upgrade your VMs to vSphere 5.5 hardware level !!! Max 5.1 hardware level.

                  • 66. Re: ESXi 5.5 Free Hypervisor Web Console
                    athompson88 Novice

                    So is vmware's position that going forward the free hypervisor will only (in any practical sense) support v5.1 hardware and earlier?

                    • 67. Re: ESXi 5.5 Free Hypervisor Web Console
                      Gabrie Master
                      vExpert

                      There is no official word from VMware on this. Maybe it is just a bug.

                      • 68. Re: ESXi 5.5 Free Hypervisor Web Console
                        jkopp Novice

                        That's a good question.  One can only speculate.  Currently, in the sense that you can't edit the hardware, your above statement is correct.  It will run v10 hardware, but you can't make changes to it (without editing the VMX directly...or downgrading, changing and then upgrading again).  I would hope VMWare will make this disappear like they recently did with the 32GB limiation in the free version and vRAM licensing for the paying customers.  Until that happens, users of the free edition will need to work around this issue or familiarize themselves with alternative free products.  I like VMWare.  I understand, they need to reinvent revenue streams, but to me it seems they enjoy shooting themselves in the foot.  Once users are comfortable with alternative products, I suspect they'd be more apt to switch.

                        • 69. Re: ESXi 5.5 Free Hypervisor Web Console
                          Linjo Champion
                          User Moderators

                          @jkopp I work for VMware but have no insight on the future plans here or if its a bug etc.

                          Could you not simply use the normal vSphere client and not upgrade the hardware version to 10? Then it should be as 5.1...

                          • 70. Re: ESXi 5.5 Free Hypervisor Web Console
                            Schenkewitz Novice

                            The Problem is you can only create new VMs with HW Version 4, 7 or 8 - NOT Version 9. And if you're going to upgrade your HW Version 8 VM it goes straight to HW Version 10. With the free vSphere ESXi 5.5 you cannot create or upgrade VMs to HW Version 9 (ESXi 5.1). You are forced to use HW Version 8 (ESXi 5.0) and can edit your VM settings or HW Version 10 (ESXi 5.5) and can't edit your VM settings.

                             

                            Only with vCenter Webclient you can upgrade your VMs from HW V8 to HW V9...

                            • 71. Re: ESXi 5.5 Free Hypervisor Web Console
                              jkopp Novice

                              @Linjo.  From my experience, this is a fully functioal product as long as the users know not to upgrade their hardware to v10.  One does have the ability to use the vSphere thick client to create virtual machines with v8 hardware (I believe compatible with ESXi 5.0).  People's angst happen after they upgrade (or attach) a VM with v10 hardware and then are unalbe to manage/change the hardware settings for those VMs.  I agree with you, that as long as the hardware isn't v10, there should not be a problem.  I have posted, much earlier in this thread, a way to upgrade to v9 or even downgrading from v10 to an earleir verion if one is in a bind (as always use your normal caution when changing the guest hardware).  I personally don't mind this ESXi 5.5 limitation with the free product and appreciate that they've removed the 32GB RAM limitation which existed in the free 5.0 hypervisor.

                               

                              I've *just* upgraded my vSphere/vCenter to 5.5 and am only now seriously playing with the ESXi 5.5 hypervisors...so my breadth of knowledge on this topic isn't as wide as I'd like it to be.

                               

                              This is not a bug.  I thought the warning message was fairly straight forward when I tested this out.  Maybe they should have been clearer about needing to purchase vSphere to have access to the web client?

                               

                              Thanks for your post!

                              • 72. Re: ESXi 5.5 Free Hypervisor Web Console
                                sergeadam Enthusiast

                                This goes beyond the free version. Even if you purchase a Standard license, in a single host environment you would not need vCenter. You still could not make use of any of the hardware-10 features.

                                • 73. Re: ESXi 5.5 Free Hypervisor Web Console
                                  allanregistos Novice

                                  Linjo wrote:

                                   

                                  @jkopp I work for VMware but have no insight on the future plans here or if its a bug etc.

                                  Could you not simply use the normal vSphere client and not upgrade the hardware version to 10? Then it should be as 5.1...

                                  Just to add my opinion regarding the alternatives of VMware.  First, I am stuck with VMware, not only because VMware only is the most stable, but because of OS backward compatibility, VMware still honors Windows NT and supports most of OSes out there if not all.  Sometimes, we cannot re-create an OS from scratch like in my situation.  I think I can persuade my boss to buy a license later on to manage VMs if I can justify the cost.  If I will be creating VMs from scratch, XenServer is my first choice.

                                   

                                  @Gabrie Is the VMware Small business essentials costs $1,500? In our currency that would be Php 66,000.00. We bought an IBM server lastly for Php91,500.00. That's 74% of the cost of our hardware investment.

                                   

                                  FOUND IT:

                                  http://store.vmware.com/store/vmware/en_US/pd/ThemeID.2485600/productID.282883900

                                   

                                  What happens after 1 year or 3 years, does the vCenter Operations Manager Foundation will stop working when not renewed?

                                  (VMware vSphere Essentials Plus Kit appears to be very expensive).


                                  Thanks..


                                  • 74. Re: ESXi 5.5 Free Hypervisor Web Console
                                    allanregistos Novice

                                    I have made a conclusion that the free vSphere Hypervisor is not for everyone who are interested in Virtualization, even though it is the most user friendly available on the market.  After playing with vSphere Hypervisor for a while now, and searching for alternatives, these are my observations:

                                    1. vSphere Hypervisor is only good for resellers or partners of VMware.

                                    2. vSphere Hypervisor is only for system administrators who wants to get familiar with VMware tools (Lab only)

                                    3. vSphere Hypervisor is for the people who love to evaluate VMware solutions

                                     

                                    I think and believe now that the hypervisor should not be advertised as a Free Product. It is as good as a Trial-only product.

                                    The free hypervisor is not even suited for home use, because there is no way you can manage it after the evaluation period of the GUI client.  To be usable, we need to have the Essentials kit(No advance features) for $560 / 1year and $666.66 / 3years . Even more so, it cannot be used in production servers. vSphere Hypervisor was designed to be unusable in these scenarios, unless you need to pay for $5000 and up.

                                     

                                    I have decided to use CentOS and ovirt instead, for my hardware is not supported by  XenServer.

                                     

                                    Regards...

                                    Allan

                                     

                                    Message was edited by: allanregistos (Added CentOS line)

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