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      • 1,320. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
        NickEvans Novice

        Fantastic news!

         

        Although it won't please everyone (going by the comments), but you have to applaud VMware for acting so quickly, and not being too proud or arrogant and actually listening to their customers.

         

        Nick.

        • 1,321. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
          LockAze Novice

          Didn't VMware get it? I for one do not want a cap on the virtual memory, I could understand it if it was the physical, but virtual? I don't like beeing screwed in the long run. So even with this "great" changes from VMware who "lisens" to it's customers...... I will still continue with checking out if it's possible to switch to eighter Hyper-V or XenServer....

          • 1,322. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
            kopper27 Expert

            I just think even when vMware made some changes it's too late...

             

            what they did made people start looking for other products hyper-v, xen and now that people started talking about how easy/$$$ was to deploy those products

            people were like caged with vmware but this license thing open their eyes...

             

            what I mean they thought they were the only one in the virtual world..... even when I love vmware my boss started to talk about hyper-v.....

             

             

            kinda late

            • 1,323. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
              tom11011 Enthusiast

              Dear VMware Partner,

              On July 12, 2011, VMware announced our new Cloud Infrastructure Suite. The launch featured vSphere 5, the newest version of our flagship product.

              As many of you know, as part of this announcement, we introduced changes to the vSphere licensing model in order to align costs with the benefits of virtualization rather than with the physical attributes of individual servers. While our goal was to provide a licensing model based on consumption and value rather than physical components and capacity, we strived to make the new model as non-disruptive as possible.

              These changes generated much debate in the blogosphere, in conversations with our partners and customers, and across VMware communities. Some of the discussion had to do with confusion around the changes. We have been watching the blog commentaries carefully, and we have been listening to the partner and customer conversations very intently. A great deal of feedback was provided that examined the impact of the new licensing model on every possible use case and scenario, and equally importantly, reflected our partners’ and customers’ intense passion for VMware.

              Our success depends on the active involvement of our channel partners. We are a company built on partner and customer goodwill, and we’ve taken your feedback in earnest. Our primary objective is to do right by our customers, so we are announcing three changes to the vSphere 5 licensing model that address the most recurring areas of your feedback.

              • 

              We’ve increased vRAM entitlements for all vSphere editions, including the doubling of the entitlements for vSphere Enterprise and Enterprise Plus. This change addresses concerns about future-looking business cases that were based on future hardware capabilities and the previous vSphere licensing model.  Below is a comparison of the previously announced and the new vSphere 5 vRAM entitlements per vSphere edition:

              vSphere edition

              Previous vRAM entitlement

              New vRAM entitlement

              vSphere Enterprise+

              48 GB

              96 GB

              vSphere Enterprise

              32 GB

              64 GB

              vSphere Standard

              24 GB

              32 GB

              vSphere Essentials+

              24 GB

              32 GB

              vSphere Essentials

              24 GB

              32 GB

              • 

              We’ve capped the amount of vRAM we count in any given VM, so that no VM, not even the “monster” 1TB vRAM VM, would cost more than one vSphere Enterprise Plus license. This change also aligns with our goal to make vSphere 5 the best platform for running Tier 1 applications.

              • 

              We’ve adjusted our model to be much more flexible around transient workloads, and short-term spikes that are typical in test & development environments for example. We will now calculate a 12-month average of consumed vRAM to rather than tracking the high water mark of vRAM.

              Finally, we introduced the vSphere Desktop edition to address vSphere licensing in a desktop environment. The vSphere Desktop edition does not have any vRAM entitlements, and allows customers to purchase vSphere for VDI use case on per user basis. Our price books are being updated and will be distributed shortly.

              We are confident that our vSphere 5 licensing model based on pooled vRAM is the right one for the cloud computing era. We are fully committed to meeting our partners’ needs, and have several resources on Partner Central available to help you and your customers understand and calculate how the new licensing model applies to existing environments. We also have a vmLIVE session available for replay as well as an additional vmLIVE session on August 10th.

              We would like to hear from you about this change; please join the conversation on our Partner Blog.

              Thank you for your continued passion in our mutual sucess and partnership.

               

              Bogomil Balkansky
              SVP, Product Marketing, Infrastructure Product

              • 1,324. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                Bigi201110141 Enthusiast

                @ LockAze

                So if Standard had a limit of 128GB RAM whats the difference between that and vRAM 128GB limit?

                • 1,325. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                  Baddos Enthusiast

                  NickEvans wrote:

                   

                  Fantastic news!

                   

                  Although it won't please everyone (going by the comments), but you have to applaud VMware for acting so quickly, and not being too proud or arrogant and actually listening to their customers.

                   

                  Nick.

                  Acting quickly? It's been almost a month of nonstop negative PR.

                  • 1,326. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                    GaryHertz Novice

                    Baddos wrote:

                     

                    NickEvans wrote:

                     

                    Fantastic news!

                     

                    Although it won't please everyone (going by the comments), but you have to applaud VMware for acting so quickly, and not being too proud or arrogant and actually listening to their customers.

                     

                    Nick.

                    Acting quickly? It's been almost a month of nonstop negative PR.

                     

                    They didn't have a choice with VMworld coming up.. They didn't want this taking over VMworld like it took over the v5 announcement.  They really should have resolved it two weeks ago.

                    • 1,327. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                      tomaddox Enthusiast

                      cmangiarelli wrote:

                       

                       

                      That's kinda interesting since the new licensing for View is pretty damn good with the unlimited vRAM license.  However, they did screw over existing View customers by not allowing a conversion to the newer model... but people just starting VDI should see a benefit on the new View licensing model.

                       

                      Hooray, now I can pay for and manage even more licenses by number and type! I can't wait!

                      • 1,328. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                        rjb2 Enthusiast

                        Bigi wrote:

                         

                        Thanks vmware for listening to your customers. Great work everyone for sounding your comments on this board/phone/email.

                         

                        Although its not the best case scenario. vmware still has to make $$$$$ and hire best people etc.

                         

                        vSphere 5 here we come.....

                         

                        Yes, thanks VMWare for listening to your customers. There will still be some unhappy ones, but the changes will certainly reduce their number.

                        • 1,329. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                          devilz666 Novice

                          Do all these posts not show that Vmware never listened to customers in the first place?

                           

                          Their marketing/license department needs a complete overhaul with how they completely stuffed up the new version before it was even released.

                           

                          Changing the license scheme before its released a second time shows that something went terribly wrong in their internal management, they have already lost customers to Xen/HyperV before their new version is publicly released.

                          They should have discussed the IDEA of vram license with customers before making it public and destorying their customer base, we've already converted customers to Xen and have others looking at it ONLY due to the fact of Vram issue and thats even before the version was out!

                          If it takes shouting and complaining by customers to get what they want, customers will simply move to a company that doesnt require people to complain to get what they need/want.

                           

                          They may as well have been a movie studio telling the public a movie was bad before it even reached the theatres, or maybe say that the ticket to view will be $100, then because no one goes to the movie they drop the ticket price to $10 but the damage is already done and everyone has already decided not to see the movie and gone to the next big blockbuster instead.

                          • 1,330. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                            freefall Novice

                            I still think the licensing model is flawed.

                             

                            I understand that with greater RAM capacity and core counts will in time  reduce the revenue to support the hypervisor and VMware needs that  revenue to keep the hypervisor as the leader of the pack.

                             

                            VMware needs to send a clear message to the industry on how they are going to do this. The current licensing model does not do that. Either vRAM or CPU count is the model of the future, not both. The image customers are getting is that of a kid run loose in the candy store just grabbing anything they can get their hands on. Not a good image if you ask me.

                             

                            vRAM on its own is a workable model for internal use or private cloud.

                             

                            So the revised licensing goes some way to getting the vRAM to the right sweet spot (in my opinion for Enterprise Plus) however it does make it as confusing as all hell and it will significantly increase the licensing management overhead moving forward.

                            • 1,331. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                              DSeaman Hot Shot
                              vExpert

                              I've posted a blog about the vRAM revision, and also compare it to the new vSphere 5.0 VSPP vRAM model that is migrating AWAY from the allocated vRAM model that we are now stuck with, and on to a reserved vRAM model that makes more sense to me.

                               

                              http://derek858.blogspot.com/2011/08/vmware-changes-vsphere-50-licensing.html

                               

                              In fact VMware makes a strong case why allocated vRAM does not make sense and why basing it on reserved pRAM is more appropriate. I agree..just too bad we can't use the same, more logical IMHO, model.

                              • 1,332. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                                Dracolith Enthusiast

                                tomaddox wrote:

                                cmangiarelli wrote:

                                That's kinda interesting since the new licensing for View is pretty damn good with the unlimited vRAM license.  However, they did screw over existing View customers by not allowing a conversion to the newer model... but people just starting VDI should see a benefit on the new View licensing model.

                                Hooray, now I can pay for and manage even more licenses by number and type! I can't wait!

                                At this point I have little faith that marketing folks didn't strategically plan to do it this way all along,.

                                Especially since changing from "high water mark"  to  "12 month average"   involves code changes;

                                "high water mark"  is a very strange term to use to describe "all allocated vRAM must be licensed at time of usage",

                                unless an average usage model was already contemplated prior.

                                 

                                The revision doesn't really address the concerns about monster VMs.    A 1 TB  VM is just an extreme example of the problem.

                                An  Enterprise+ license is a high cost for one VM!

                                 

                                The revision doesn't address the concerns for folks performing development and testing functions;  development/testing/training isn't

                                something you do 1 month out of the year.  And if vs5 is still to be released this month, they don't have much time at

                                all to implement and properly vet such vCenter code changes.

                                 

                                But if they had the "final vRAM entitlement"  numbers all worked out  months ago, this would be easy.

                                So here's the rub... you want to make your pricing more expensive, you come up with this model,

                                you know your customers/partners will hate and revolt on it;  they would justifiably ask questions.

                                 

                                So what do you do?  Use a demotivational tactic, an  "It can be worse plan"

                                Announce your model as  twice as bad as it will be in the end.

                                 

                                Then wait for the "commotion" to die down, and announce a pre-planned "cure".

                                 

                                 

                                What they have failed to do still is answer the fundamental question.

                                The WTF? question.

                                 

                                "We are confident that our vSphere 5 licensing model based on pooled vRAM is the right one for the cloud computing era."

                                 

                                The question not answered is "Why is that"?

                                At this point we're quite sick of   VMware using the word "Cloud",

                                which has nothing to do with internal Enterprise virtualization.

                                 

                                 

                                At the end of the day, they're still trying to force a model on our organizations that doesn't make any sense,

                                and in the long run will force us to find a solution that is not vSphere.

                                 

                                 

                                We don't expect VMs to stop requiring more and more RAM  every year  just to run basic OS functions.

                                • 1,333. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                                  jasoncllsystems Hot Shot

                                  http://blogs.vmware.com/partner/2011/08/vmware-vsphere-5-licensing-and-pricing-update.html

                                   

                                  Yes, this is confirmed and I just get an official email from VMware Team.

                                  • 1,334. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                                    wuffers Novice

                                    Looks like lots have happened since I've been gone!

                                     

                                    I've closed the survey and for those interested in the final results, they are here:

                                    http://wuffers.net/2011/07/18/vsphere-5-migration-survey

                                     

                                    The results haven't changed very much since the first or second round results, just a bigger sample size and reducing our margin of error (confidence level of 95% with 4.08% margin of error - I'm no statistician so please correct me if that's wrong). More importantly, thanks to all that participated!

                                     

                                    I'm thinking of putting up another survey based on the new vSphere 5 licensing tweaks that were announced officially today. I'm still of the opinion that this is a step forward, but that they need to do a bit more.

                                     

                                    I have a few questions in mind already, do others want to chime in with what they want to see?

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