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      • 1,245. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
        manu101914 Novice

        My client is running with VSphere 4 Essential Plus having 3 hosts, now he want to add one more host? What will be the best way?

        • 1,246. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
          vmwareking Novice

          download and install xenserver

          • 1,247. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
            dicen Novice

            manu101914 wrote:

             

            My client is running with VSphere 4 Essential Plus having 3 hosts, now he want to add one more host? What will be the best way?

            Perhaps your client should hire someone who has experience in such matters. VMware does offer professional consulting services at very affordable rates. Either that or you could subcontract to one of the professionals who frequent this forum. They generally do not work for free. Do you?

            • 1,248. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
              Dracolith Enthusiast

              manu101914 wrote:

               

              My client is running with VSphere 4 Essential Plus having 3 hosts, now he want to add one more host? What will be the best way?

               

              I would suggest,

              Either replace one or more of the existing hosts with a bigger/denser server  with at most  2 CPU sockets and  at most 256GB of RAM,

              so that a new host is no longer required,  at a cost that depends on your current type of server, and how much extra spend for the higher

              capacity server,   or get vCenter

              standard and  Standard level [or higher] licenses for all the hosts,  including the new one,

              e.g.  by  purchasing a   vSphere4 Standard Acceleration kit,  and then additional  vSphere4 licenses for the new host.

               

               

              However,  if you increase and utilize total physical ram above 144GB on the 3 hosts  or avg48GB per host,  keep in mind you may need to upgrade to Standard Edition licensing anyways and purchase a couple more CPU licenses, once  VS5 comes out and you wish to upgrade.

              • 1,249. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                Dave.Mishchenko Guru

                Welcome to the VMware Communities forums.  If you're need to expand beyond 3 hosts running one of the Essentials kits then you need to upgrade to one of the Acceleration kits.  See page 10 http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/vsphere_pricing.pdf

                 

                Dave
                VMware Communities User Moderator

                 

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                • 1,250. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                  manu101914 Novice

                  Thanks for your quick reply. So i believe best option will be go for Vsphere 5 Standard Accelaration kit. Hope this upgrade path is possible. :-)

                  • 1,251. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                    manu101914 Novice

                    Thanks Dave :-)

                    • 1,252. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                      chanaka_ek Novice
                      vExpert

                      Finally...... Our effort to give VMware a reality check with these unrealistically low vRAM limits may be paying off...

                       

                      The (potentially) new licensing limits would make Ent 64 and Ent plus 96GB with a CAP of 96GB per VM regardless of the vRAM allocated???

                       

                      Sounds a little fairer than the current (ridiculous) model?? if this is true, I can now start looking more in to vSphere 5 now

                       

                      http://derek858.blogspot.com/2011/07/impending-vmware-vsphere-50-license.html

                       

                       

                      Any vExpert / VMware moderator want to confirm whether this is tru or gospell??

                      • 1,253. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                        GVD Novice

                        Since I'm currently working on a project involving Essentials Plus one of our partners gave us a little inside line: On 22/08 the prices of Essentials Plus are going to rise substantially.

                         

                        Now:

                        Essentials Plus + 3 years of Production Support is now 4645 euros excl VAT

                        After 22/08:

                        Essentials Plus + 3 years of Production Support is will likely cost 6622 euros excl VAT

                        Essentials Plus + 1 years of Production Support is will likely cost 5055 euros excl VAT

                         

                        That's no small increase, as it makes E+ with 3y support now, cheaper than E+ with 1y support after 22/08. As such, if you have an E+ project pending, do try to order before 15/08 to make sure you fall under old licensing (you will still have upgrade rights).

                         

                        Also:

                        If the same margin (42,5% increase in price!) is applied to other VMWare licensing, expect a second wave of complaints... Sure hope VMWare won't make the mistake of increasing prices AND severely restricting the usefulness of said products (ridiculous vRAM pools) at the same time.

                         

                         

                        PS: Even at this pricing, the Essentials Plus kits are still a hell of a good deal for small deployments. Equivalent vCenter Foundation + 6x Standard licensing puts you at 13500 euros excl VAT (list prices from before 22/08).

                         

                        PPS: I see no reason to doubt my source. If this info turns out to be blatantly false it will only harm our future dealings.

                        • 1,254. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                          J1mbo Virtuoso

                          In fact the price rise was mentioned in the analysts' meeting (transcript here) - directly from that,

                           

                          Gregg Moskowitz - Cowen and Company, LLC

                          With vSphere 5, the pricing for Essentials Plus will be, I believe, I  think $1,000 higher per CPU than it was under vSphere 4.1. Clearly,  that would seem to reflect a lot of optimism around the SMB segment. But  if you could perhaps speak to your expectations around buying behavior  in the SMB, as well as elasticity of demand and the value profit you  have there, that would be helpful.


                          Paul Maritz

                          Well, as I said earlier, we've been gratified by the success that  we've seen with vSphere Essentials, clearly delivering a lot of value to  customers. And with the new features coming in, we think that the price  is justified.

                           

                           

                          What stands out for me is the reply "...and with the new features coming in..." - in Essentials?  As I don't see anything of note for that market in v5.

                          • 1,255. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                            sergeadam Enthusiast

                            J1mbo wrote:

                             

                            In fact the price rise was mentioned in the analysts' meeting (transcript here) - directly from that,

                             

                            Gregg Moskowitz - Cowen and Company, LLC

                            With vSphere 5, the pricing for Essentials Plus will be, I believe, I  think $1,000 higher per CPU than it was under vSphere 4.1. Clearly,  that would seem to reflect a lot of optimism around the SMB segment. But  if you could perhaps speak to your expectations around buying behavior  in the SMB, as well as elasticity of demand and the value profit you  have there, that would be helpful.


                            Paul Maritz

                            Well, as I said earlier, we've been gratified by the success that  we've seen with vSphere Essentials, clearly delivering a lot of value to  customers. And with the new features coming in, we think that the price  is justified.

                             

                             

                            What stands out for me is the reply "...and with the new features coming in..." - in Essentials?  As I don't see anything of note for that market in v5.

                            I think he either does not understand the SMB market, or is blinded by shinny toys. I use Essentials Plus. I got it because of price and HA. That's it. vMotion is cool, but in the SMB market, we can live without it. Do I appreciate beeing able to do maintenace during the day? You bet I do. Can I live without it? You bet I could. 

                            • 1,256. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                              J1mbo Virtuoso

                              vMotion was included with Essentials Plus since 4.1.

                              • 1,257. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                                rjb2 Enthusiast

                                DSeaman wrote:

                                 

                                I have a reliable contact that provided me with some possible licensing modifications that will be announced next week. Changes include increased vRAM entitlements, and a cap on vRAM licensing per VM to help control costs for large VMs. Of course these are just internal rumors and are subject to change until formally announced, so use a pinch of salt for the time being.

                                 

                                http://derek858.blogspot.com/2011/07/impending-vmware-vsphere-50-license.html

                                 

                                But the good news is that it seems the uproar is being heard at VMware, and some changes are likely.

                                 

                                According to this article, which references Derek's post, the new licensing changes will be announced tomorrow (Wednesday)

                                 

                                http://www.crn.com/news/data-center/231003052/vmware-set-to-unveil-vsphere-5-licensing-changes.htm

                                 

                                from the article:

                                 

                                "However, VMware has communicated the vSphere 5 licensing changes to channel partners, who confirmed the Wednesday announcement and appear impressed with the adjustments the company has made.

                                 

                                "The deal is done at this point and customers will be thrilled," said one VMware partner with knowledge of the changes, who requested anonymity.

                                • 1,258. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                                  sergeadam Enthusiast

                                  J1mbo wrote:

                                   

                                  vMotion was included with Essentials Plus since 4.1.

                                  I know. But maritz refernces the great features in the Essentials kit. I'm just pointing out that some of those features are more nice to have as opposed to have to have. He is seriously overestimating the value of his product. 

                                  • 1,259. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                                    ClueShell Novice

                                    They shall license per core in 2-increments. That would allow many

                                    customers to keep their old gear for some lower-priority jobs. Meaning

                                    they would probably see an increase in licenses instead of transfers to

                                    new machines. Because per socket licensing is just not attractive to

                                    keep the old server virtualised.

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