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      • 855. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
        GaryHertz Novice

        Bilal wrote:

         

        Rickard wrote:

         

         

        While you are editing this, could you please remove the claim that the free Hypervisor support up to 1 TB of RAM per VM? (See next tab, "compare".)

         

        I think it is a bit disturbing trying to make Hyper-V and XEN look bad with "only" 32 and 64 GB per vm.

        Where exactly does it say that "the free Hypervisor support up to 1 TB of RAM per VM"?

         

        Keep in mind it still the same hypervisor without purchased licenses.

         

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        As Rickard pointed out it says it under the "compare" tab. The very last entry.  While you may realize that you would need a licensed version to be able to create a VM of that size if you look at the top of the page it reads

         

        "VMware vSphere Hypervisor is the simplest and easiest way to get started with virtualization for free. This fully functional hypervisor...".

         

        While I don't think VMware is trying to mislead anyone they need to rephrase the size limits to reflect that 1TB is not obtainable with the free version.  Rickard was merely suggesting that they revise that part of the document that could be misleading.

        • 856. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
          sliptrap Novice

           

          While I don't think VMware is trying to mislead anyone they need to rephrase the size limits to reflect that 1TB is not obtainable with the free version.  Rickard was merely suggesting that they revise that part of the document that could be misleading.

          Well in VMWares defense since the 8GB limit is per proc you totaly could run a 1TB VM on free ESXi if you were running a 128CPU system.

          • 857. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
            bilalhashmi Hot Shot

             

            Rickard wrote:

             

            Bilal wrote:

             

            Excuse my ignorance but will you kindly post a screenshot? Thanks!

             

             

            No problem at all, here you can find a screen shot of the 1 TB / vm statement.

             

             

            So @ http://www.vmware.com/products/vsphere-hypervisor/faq.html it states that "VMware vSphere Hypervisor is the simplest and easiest way to get started with virtualization for free."

             

            Please note it states "easiest way to get STARTED"

             

            I have been unable to find anywhere where it states that "the free hypervisor can support up to 1 TB of RAM per VM"

             

            Please let me know if you find otherwise.

             

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            • 858. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
              rickardnobel Virtuoso
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              Shane wrote:

               

               

              While I don't think VMware is trying to mislead anyone they need to rephrase the size limits to reflect that 1TB is not obtainable with the free version.  Rickard was merely suggesting that they revise that part of the document that could be misleading.

              Well in VMWares defense since the 8GB limit is per proc you totaly could run a 1TB VM on free ESXi if you were running a 128CPU system.

               

              According to information on the forum the highest amount is 4 CPU, meaning 32 GB of vRAM maximum...

              • 859. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                bilalhashmi Hot Shot

                 

                 

                While I don't think VMware is trying to mislead anyone they need to rephrase the size limits to reflect that 1TB is not obtainable with the free version.  Rickard was merely suggesting that they revise that part of the document that could be misleading.

                 

                 


                I can agree with your comment.

                 

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                • 860. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                  sliptrap Novice

                  So @ http://www.vmware.com/products/vsphere-hypervisor/faq.html it states that "VMware vSphere Hypervisor is the simplest and easiest way to get started with virtualization for free."

                   

                  Please note it states "easiest way to get STARTED"

                   

                  I have been unable to find anywhere where it states that "the free hypervisor can support up to 1 TB of RAM per VM"

                   

                  Please let me know if you find otherwise.

                   

                  The FAQ that John Troyer posted the link to is "VMware vSphere Hypervisor™ (ESXi) Virtualization Made Free and Easy" (copy and paste of the FAQ title) and under the feature list on the compare tab it lists 1TB VM Memory as the max.

                  • 861. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                    wdroush1 Hot Shot

                    aroudnev wrote:

                     

                    It's not a show; many companies can work with essential license for a long until they really need HA. It is a good starting point. And it bring money, even if not so much , to Vmware, and bring good new customers who maybe will go to the enterprise license later (or in a new projects).

                     

                    We do use essential on a few small sites with success (HA provided on application level). Of course, essential plus is much better, but not everyone agree to purchase it, while I can always get approval for essential license.

                    But that's what I don't get, isn't HA on the application level more expensive like immedately? Essential plus is cheap compared to clustering.

                    • 862. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                      bilalhashmi Hot Shot

                      Shane wrote:

                       

                      So @ http://www.vmware.com/products/vsphere-hypervisor/faq.html it states that "VMware vSphere Hypervisor is the simplest and easiest way to get started with virtualization for free."

                       

                      Please note it states "easiest way to get STARTED"

                       

                      I have been unable to find anywhere where it states that "the free hypervisor can support up to 1 TB of RAM per VM"

                       

                      Please let me know if you find otherwise.

                       

                      The FAQ that John Troyer posted the link to is "VMware vSphere Hypervisor™ (ESXi) Virtualization Made Free and Easy" (copy and paste of the FAQ title) and under the feature list on the compare tab it lists 1TB VM Memory as the max.

                      Ok, just FYI I am not trying to be a jerk here. I have asked before for a screenshot in case u guys are seeing something that I am not..

                       

                      If you come across something that states "the free hypervisor can support up to 1 TB of RAM per VM" please take a screenshot and post it here

                       

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                      • 863. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                        rickardnobel Virtuoso
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                        Bilal wrote:

                         

                        So @ http://www.vmware.com/products/vsphere-hypervisor/faq.html it states that "VMware vSphere Hypervisor is the simplest and easiest way to get started with virtualization for free."

                         

                        Please note it states "easiest way to get STARTED"

                         

                        I have been unable to find anywhere where it states that "the free hypervisor can support up to 1 TB of RAM per VM"

                         

                        Please let me know if you find otherwise.

                         

                         

                         

                        Ok, again then. First, on the FAQ page John Troyer linked to there is also a reference defining the name. Check the grey box on the right "Looking for the Free ESXi? The name of the free ESXi product has changed." and a link which clearly defines that vSphere Hypervisor is the product name of the free version.
                        Then on the compare tab we have at least these references to the free product:
                        VMware vSphere Hypervisor™ (ESXi)
                        VIRTUALIZATION MADE FREE AND EASY
                        VMware vSphere Hypervisor is the simplest and easiest way to get started with virtualization for free.
                        vSphere Hypervisor is based on VMware ESXi...
                        Comparing VMware vSphere Hypervisor and Windows Server 2008 with Hyper-V
                        Top of chart: VMware vSphere Hypervisor 5.0
                        And then the final "compare" between Hyper-V, XEN and vSphere Hypervisor.
                        • 864. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                          wuffers Novice

                          sergeadam wrote:

                           

                          The survey is flawed inasmuch as Essentials and Essentials Plus were late addition. I use Essentials Plus, but picked Standard as it was the closest i had at the time. I would suspect that Standard use is lower and Essentials Plus higher. Essentials Plus is a sweet spot for a lot of SMBs.

                           

                          Yes, it was late, but by about 40 submissions. The new data I'm about to post is for 297 submissions. With the larger sample size, I think the overall percentage would be more in line had the Essentials/Essentials Plus been in there from the beginning.

                           

                          Which VMware version are you currently running?

                          VMware Infrastructure 3.x (VI3)2.02%
                          VMware vSphere 4.x97.98%

                           

                          Under which VMware architecture?

                          ESX25.59%
                          ESXi74.41%

                           

                          VMware Edition?

                          Essentials4.38%
                          Essentials Plus5.72%
                          Standard10.10%
                          Advanced3.37%
                          Enterprise39.06%
                          Enterprise Plus37.37%

                           

                          Was a VMWare virtualization project planned before the new vSphere 5 licensing scheme announcement?

                          Yes82.15%
                          No17.85%

                           

                          Did the new license (vRAM entitlement) change your mind on upgrading to vSphere 5?

                          Yes87.88%
                          No12.12%

                           

                          Have you already bought new bigger and better hardware for your planned vSphere 5 deployment?

                          Yes44.11%
                          No55.89%

                           

                          Do you think that the new license (vRAM entitlement) will affect your current or future VMware plans?

                          Yes94.28%
                          No5.72%

                           

                          Has this new licensing scheme changed your mind to consider another virtualization platform?

                          Yes92.59%
                          No7.41%

                           

                          Which hypervisor are you considering or are currently evaluating based on this announcement?

                          Citrix XenServer39.60%
                          Linux KVM11.00%
                          Microsoft Hyper-V44.00%
                          Oracle VirtualBox1.80%
                          Other3.60%

                           

                          Do you still have plans to move forward with vSphere 5 or have you put your project on hold?

                          Yes (move forward)15.15%
                          No (on hold)84.85%


                          I've also rounded up the number of licenses that people have entered something in the survey:

                           

                          Number of licenses:

                          Essentials73
                          Essentials Plus190
                          Standard219
                          Advanced70
                          Enterprise3875
                          Enterprise Plus51123
                          Total55550

                           

                          Now, there was one respondent who put in 40000 licenses for Enterprise Plus, so take that with a grain of salt - bogus or not, I'll let you decide. I will also mention that all the other responses were 1000 licenses or lower.

                           

                          Haven't taken the vSphere 5 migration survey yet? Do so here and share it with others (help out by Digging it):

                          http://wuffers.net/2011/07/18/vsphere-5-migration-survey

                          • 865. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                            rjb2 Enthusiast

                            Bilal wrote:

                             

                             

                            Please note it states "easiest way to get STARTED"

                             

                             

                             

                            Yes, I think we all agree that the FREE version is the "easiest way to get STARTED". I still remember how excited our team was when they first installed ESXi back in v3 and they created our first VM"s. The lightbulb went on and we soon decided to pay money. We didn't have 16 GB of RAM in the server that we used to start on, and frankly it didn't really matter because it was at that point that we "got" the value proposition. And after we got this start, we started writing the checks for the real deal. Even with 16 GB, you can setup a few Windows servers, and I think that can be called a start.

                             

                            There is a lot of discussion about how much you can get for FREE, but there are some of us who are very concerned with preserving our investment and in not having capacity taken away after being loyal SnS paying customers using the most expensive paid versions of the product.

                            • 866. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                              Master

                              I think this table is confusing

                              http://www.vmware.com/products/vsphere-hypervisor/compare.html

                               

                              I will go back and talk to the product marketing and web teams.

                              • 867. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                                GaryHertz Novice

                                Bilal wrote:

                                 

                                 

                                 

                                 

                                So @ http://www.vmware.com/products/vsphere-hypervisor/faq.html it states that "VMware vSphere Hypervisor is the simplest and easiest way to get started with virtualization for free."

                                 

                                Please note it states "easiest way to get STARTED"

                                 

                                 

                                Please note that after it says "easiest way to get STARTED" it says "This FULLY FUNCTIONAL hypervisor...".  I pasted that part into my original post for a reason.  For some reason you left that part out.

                                 

                                It's misleading, period.

                                • 868. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                                  aroudnev Enthusiast

                                  It is much more difficult to configure but once you created it (heartbeat cluster with all gui, fencing etc; DB mirroring for MS SQL; data guard for Oracle) it works pretty well. In some cases you combine both (app and VM level HA).

                                   

                                  Of course. VMware offer a great option of getting HA and fault tolerance on VM level. But there are always an alternatives, and once you created one, you can use it everywhere.

                                  • 869. Re: vSphere 5 Licensing
                                    nolent Enthusiast

                                    I think VMWare just became like a drug dealer that jacks up the price of your "fix" once he knew you were good and addicted...

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