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    Certified Virtualization Expert (CVE)

    JDLangdon Master

      Does anyone know who owns and recognizes the Certified Virtualization Expert (CVE) designation?  The course is being offered after Christmas but if this is isn't widely recognized, I'd rather hold out for the DSA course.

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      Jason D. Langdon

        • 1. Re: Certified Virtualization Expert (CVE)
          weinstein5 Guru
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          Looks like it is owned by VM Training - http://www.vmtraining.net/vmtraining.php and it is not widely recognized - the best to see its acceptance and see if anyone is requiring that cert for a job posting - last time I checked they aren't - it would be interesting if it were a vendor neutral cert but it is not reading that link the course sounds like Fast Track with some P2V thrown in -

           

           

           

           

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          • 2. Re: Certified Virtualization Expert (CVE)
            JDLangdon Master

            How can a third party company create a certification for a product which they do not own?  Isn't that the same as me creating a new Certified System Engineer for Microsoft and calling it the CSEM certification?

             

             

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            Jason D. Langdon

            • 3. Re: Certified Virtualization Expert (CVE)
              williambishop Master

               

              Yep. It's much like that. But all vendor neutral certs are exactly like that. If value is found in them, and it's consistent, they grow in popularity.

               

               

               

               

               

               

               

               

              • 4. Re: Certified Virtualization Expert (CVE)
                Texiwill Guru
                User ModeratorsvExpert

                Hello,

                 

                For example the US Govt prefers vendor neutral certs over vendor specific certs. Take the popularity of the LPI.  There should be a vendor neutral certification but most vendors want to certify themselves. Some actually do contribute to vendor neutral certs while others do not. At the moment while the CVE exists I do not think it is vendor neutral as it is VMware specific.

                 


                Best regards,

                Edward L. Haletky

                VMware Communities User Moderator

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                Author of the book 'VMWare ESX Server in the Enterprise: Planning and Securing Virtualization Servers', Copyright 2008 Pearson Education.

                Blue Gears and SearchVMware Pro Blogs: http://www.astroarch.com/wiki/index.php/Blog_Roll

                Top Virtualization Security Links: http://www.astroarch.com/wiki/index.php/Top_Virtualization_Security_Links

                • 5. Re: Certified Virtualization Expert (CVE)
                  JDLangdon Master

                   

                  Tex,

                   

                   

                  This is exactly what I'm getting at.  There is nothing "vendor netrual" about the CVE certification.  The only virtualization technology which is covered on the exam is VMware.  How can one claim to be a Certified Virtualization Expert when you haven't been tested on anything other then VMware?

                   

                   

                   

                   

                   

                   

                   

                   

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                  • 6. Re: Certified Virtualization Expert (CVE)
                    mikepodoherty Expert

                    Have to agree - definitely not vendor neutral - I took a look at the course outline and didn't see any real coverage of Solaris Zones, Xen or even hypervisor - looks like designed to be end run around VMware's certification program.  Vmware offers a similar boot camp that covers the 2 basic level courses into a one week class.

                    • 7. Re: Certified Virtualization Expert (CVE)
                      hughperry Lurker

                      I actually took the course and test when it first came out. True Zones and Xen are not mentioned. 90% to 95% depending on the class is VI3 and VC. the other 5% to 10% covers Hypervisor. I'm also VCP310 & 320 so it was a breeze. The tests are pretty much the same with the exception of five or so hypervision questions, but i was content with the course. If you have a choice of one then I would go with the most reconized.

                      • 8. Re: Certified Virtualization Expert (CVE)
                        Rockapot Expert

                         

                        This has also been discussed on linkedin.com...

                         

                         

                        Personally I wouldnt waste my time doing it, VCP + Industry experience is the best route.., CVE just says to me that the candidate did not research the topic enough to bother doing a full on cert on the subject they wish to specialise in..

                        Probably coming accross as quite negative, appologies for that but you want a VMware consultant get a VCP, same goes for Microsoft and their cert etc...

                        If you want a generic virtualisation candidate for admin purposes then maybe a CVE or whatever its called.

                         

                        Irrespective of the above, the course may still be interesting

                        Carl

                         

                         

                         

                        • 9. Re: Certified Virtualization Expert (CVE)
                          hughperry Lurker

                          I agree to a certain extent. Again the CVE courses / and certification tests were right in line with VCP320. CVE just covered a small fragment of Hypervisor. Though if you were to "pay" for something yourself that is not provided for free from your company then I would go with specific and not a generic.

                          • 10. Re: Certified Virtualization Expert (CVE)
                            TLKern Enthusiast

                            But the main thing is to play to your audience. Such certifications are meant to placate management and HR-types. And they all know that virtualization was invented by VMWare.

                             

                            If you are looking to stay in the business of running x86 operating systems on x86 hardware, the biggest market is VMWare. Go with it. Get the certification and flash it for all the management/HR-types that are looking for it. Keep it on your wall when you get a job with other virtualization technologies in-house.

                             

                            /Tom Kern

                            • 11. Re: Certified Virtualization Expert (CVE)
                              Texiwill Guru
                              User ModeratorsvExpert

                              Hello,

                               

                              VMware was the first company with a modern hypervisor but before VMware Workstation came out there was vm86, plus a host of other virtualization based products and tools for computers. VMware was not the one who 'invented' virtualization. I think those at IBM would have something to say about this.

                               

                              Some certifications do more than placate HR and Managers, they actually have some respect in their specific industry. For example the Certified Computer Examiner has quite a bit of respect within the Forensic community, etc.

                               

                              What is your goal for getting a certification or providing one, that is the key. Is it just to make money while you can, or to provide something worthwhile and respected in the industry?

                               


                              Best regards,

                              Edward L. Haletky

                              VMware Communities User Moderator

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                              Author of the book 'VMWare ESX Server in the Enterprise: Planning and Securing Virtualization Servers', Copyright 2008 Pearson Education.

                              Blue Gears and SearchVMware Pro Blogs: http://www.astroarch.com/wiki/index.php/Blog_Roll

                              Top Virtualization Security Links: http://www.astroarch.com/wiki/index.php/Top_Virtualization_Security_Links

                              • 12. Re: Certified Virtualization Expert (CVE)
                                JBrooks60611 Lurker

                                 

                                I could not agree with you more.  Recently I heard of a new site that will be posting video tutorials on virtualization and cloud computing.  I hope they will be including more than VMware.   It just went live so it is a bit limited at the moment.  It's www.govirtual.com . The only tutorial is on VMware raw device mappings.  My personal experience with VMtraining was not positive.  Their rep made it seem like they were VMware certified which is not true.  It was all a bit sketchy.  Eventually I met someone who took the VMtraining course and the Live Ammo course.  They seemed much happier with the quality of the Liveammo course which included fibre channel lab environment..  The LiveAmmoVirtualization course was also significantly less expensive.  It doesn't offer a cert at the moment, but some of these certs aren't worth the paper printed upon.  Once my employer approves the training req, I will be signing up for their course.

                                 

                                 

                                J. Brooks

                                 

                                 

                                • 13. Re: Certified Virtualization Expert (CVE)
                                  williambishop Master

                                  A bit limited doesn't begin to cover it, it's practically non-existent. Turfing...1st post and all, pointing to a site that barely exists to drum up site traffic....Oh my.

                                  • 14. Re: Certified Virtualization Expert (CVE)
                                    JBrooks60611 Lurker

                                     

                                     

                                     

                                     

                                    Dear Mr. Bishop,

                                     

                                     

                                    I am sorry that you are so jaded and  feel the need to jump to incorrect conclusions.  For your information, neither my company nor myself have any type of business relationship with the companies that I mentioned.  I wasn't trying to "drum up traffic".  Instead I was sharing a little known resource. Did I violate a rule of the group by expressing my opinion and personal experience?

                                     

                                     

                                    Maybe you are just a thug  who enjoys  lashing out at any constructive critique as some perverse sport.   

                                     

                                     

                                    If you can not refrain from attempting to discourage others from posting an opinion, you might want to cease reading the posts.  When people share their opinion, it is expected that their opinion may differ from yours.  Instead of your response, you may want to offer something constructive instead of sarcastic prevaricating.  This is supposed to be a forum for people to offer their opinion. 

                                     

                                     

                                    Many people on this site are shamelessly self-promoting.  Had I done that, you may have cause to criticise. However that was not the case at hand.

                                     

                                     

                                    Julia Brooks

                                     

                                     

                                     

                                     

                                     

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