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7 Replies Last post: Mar 19, 2007 6:28 AM by esiebert7625  

Disabling HA does not really disable it. posted: Mar 8, 2007 7:36 AM

Click to view esiebert7625's profile Guru 6,794 posts since
Oct 23, 2006
I have a cluster of 3 ESX 3.0.1 hosts that have HA enabled. I am not using DRS at all. What has happened twice now is when I do a server mgmt-vmware restart on any of the hosts, all the VM's on that host power down.

The first time this happened a Vmware tech had me run this command which I did which caused all the VM's to power off. When I asked him why this happened he suggested putting the server in maintenance mode beforehand.

The second time this happened is when I was applying VC patch2. I went into Virtual Center, edited my cluster settings and unchecked enable HA. VC then reported a Unconfigure HA task for each host which completed successfully. While upgrading VC one of the ESX hosts did not complete the agent install so I did a server mgmt-vmware restart as suggested in another thread and low and behold all the VM's powered down again.

When I checked the hostd logs on the ESX server I saw no log entry that would indicate HA was disabled at the time the task completed in VC to disable it. The logs after that point seemed to indicate HA was still enabled.

The vmware tech came back with "Since this host was at one point in time a member of the HA cluster and it was not put into maintenance mode prior to restarting those services, it may have determined it was isolated and began to power down the vm's."

So whats the point of disabling HA if it's still going to think it's enabled? I also posted to see if it was a better idea to put the server in maintenance mode rather then disable HA and the response I received was definitely don't put the server in maintenance mode.

Here's the thread I reference about disabling HA before applying the patch...

http://www.vmware.com/community/thread.jspa?threadID=74479&messageID=592814#592814

To me this seems like a flaw in product, at this point it makes me nervous to do any work on the server because how flaky HA seems.

Anyone else see this behavior or have any suggestions?

Re: Disabling HA does not really disable it.

1. Mar 8, 2007 8:48 AM in response to: esiebert7625
Click to view mittell's profile Champion 3,096 posts since
Apr 25, 2006
This problem usually occurs when you have auto-startup/shutdown configured for the VMs on your ESX host, a restart of the management agent causes all VMs to reboot.

The workaround is to disable auto-startup/shutdown before running service mgmt-vmware restart. I don'y believe this is related to HA but I could be wrong.

See these threads:

http://www.vmware.com/community/thread.jspa?messageID=529114

http://www.vmware.com/community/thread.jspa?messageID=530797

Re: Disabling HA does not really disable it.

3. Mar 8, 2007 9:00 AM in response to: esiebert7625
Click to view mittell's profile Champion 3,096 posts since
Apr 25, 2006
I don't use auto-startup/shutdown, as I rely on HA for that in the event of a host failure, and with planned server downtime I will have migrated the VMs elsewhere.

I do agree it's strange behaviour and shouldn't happen, interestingly it didn't under 3.0.0 so I'm filing this one under the catagory of BUG.

Re: Disabling HA does not really disable it.

5. Mar 8, 2007 9:03 AM in response to: esiebert7625
Click to view mittell's profile Champion 3,096 posts since
Apr 25, 2006
No problem, remember to award points for helpful replies *hint hint*. ;)

Re: Disabling HA does not really disable it.

6. Mar 18, 2007 10:57 PM in response to: mittell
Click to view VTorque's profile Enthusiast 55 posts since
Oct 9, 2006
This information needs to be relayed to the VMware support guys. I have had 3 different VMware support agents restart this service, to band-aid several issues, without any mention of VMs powering down if auto startup-shutdown is enabled.

Luckily I had not configured auto startup-shutdown yet!

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