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Ability to run ESX as a Workstation guest posted: Jan 5, 2007 9:26 AM

Click to view richard6121's profile Enthusiast 120 posts since
Feb 15, 2005
...for educational purposes.

Who wants a screaming DL380 in their den? :-(

Re: Ability to run ESX as a Workstation guest

1. Jan 6, 2007 6:05 AM in response to: richard6121
Click to view DaveP's profile Master 1,409 posts since
Aug 30, 2003
Well VMware actually do this, but not in release version. You can set the guestOS setting in the VMX file to be "vmkernel" , but it doesn't work in Workstation 5.5.3.

Dave

Re: Ability to run ESX as a Workstation guest

3. Jan 12, 2007 3:23 AM in response to: richard6121
Click to view MayurPatel's profile Expert 319 posts since
Mar 20, 2006
For those who want to know.

For anyone wanting to develop their Altiris or similar automated installation of ESX You can use VM Workstation to test the install procedures before moving it to physical hardware.

I have needed to test unattended builds of ESX 2.x and VI3.x using Altiris and I used my standard Workstation 5.5.x. to do the PXE booting etc You will be able to install both versions but you will not be able to do much.

For 2.5.x version you will be able to even load the vmkernal but without storage available you can't do much. Whearas with VI3 the VMkernal will not load at all making the installation useless.

Hope this helps.

MP

Re: Ability to run ESX as a Workstation guest

4. Jan 29, 2007 12:55 PM in response to: richard6121
Click to view VirtualEntity's profile Hot Shot 195 posts since
Jan 29, 2007
You have a screaming DL380 to spare? I'll take it....

Re: Ability to run ESX as a Workstation guest

5. Jan 29, 2007 1:36 PM in response to: richard6121
Click to view continuum's profile Guru vExpert 13,959 posts since
Dec 18, 2003
Has anyone tried if ESX runs (crawls) in Parallels or VirtualBox ?
By the way - VirtualBox can run inside a VMware session

Re: Ability to run ESX as a Workstation guest

7. Jan 29, 2007 4:03 PM in response to: richard6121
Click to view saxa's profile Master 1,338 posts since
Jun 2, 2006
It doesn't... Workstation and VMware Server don't run, too.

Re: Ability to run ESX as a Workstation guest

8. Jan 29, 2007 4:02 PM in response to: continuum
Click to view saxa's profile Master 1,338 posts since
Jun 2, 2006
VirtualBox can run inside a VMware session

The XEN demo CD also runs inside the VMware Workstation guest; I could even start 2 VMs :)

Re: Ability to run ESX as a Workstation guest

9. Jan 29, 2007 4:04 PM in response to: richard6121
Click to view petr's profile Champion VMware Employees 7,223 posts since
Jul 10, 2003
With WS6.0 if you have right hardware (and enable couple of undocumented options to force WS to use 32bit VT) then you should be able to run ESX in a VM. Just note that it will be really slow once you'll start running VMs inside ESX, and you need to disable backdoor in "outer" VM as otherwise vmware-vmx on virtual ESX will refuse to poweron saying that powering on VM inside VM is not allowed.

Re: Ability to run ESX as a Workstation guest

10. Jan 29, 2007 11:40 PM in response to: petr
Click to view DaveP's profile Master 1,409 posts since
Aug 30, 2003
So would I be getting close with these in the VMX file:

guestOS = "vmkernel"
isolation.tools.getPtrLocation.disable = "TRUE"
isolation.tools.setPtrLocation.disable = "TRUE"
monitor_control.vt32 = "TRUE"

This is from memory as not at a PC with my notes at present.

Re: Ability to run ESX as a Workstation guest

11. Jan 30, 2007 9:43 AM in response to: DaveP
Click to view DaveP's profile Master 1,409 posts since
Aug 30, 2003
Ok there is obviously a setting missing. ESX 3.0.1 vmkernel starts but then seems to loop waiting from something. The log file has these messages:

[code]Jan 30 17:40:33.886: vcpu-0| SEG_SS 1254 count=93
Jan 30 17:40:33.981: vcpu-0| SEG_SS 1254 count=94
Jan 30 17:40:34.092: vcpu-0| SEG_SS 1254 count=95
Jan 30 17:40:34.188: vcpu-0| SEG_SS 1254 count=96
Jan 30 17:40:34.299: vcpu-0| SEG_SS 1254 count=97
Jan 30 17:40:34.505: vcpu-0| SEG_SS 1254 count=98
Jan 30 17:40:34.601: vcpu-0| SEG_SS 1254 count=99[/code]

Same issue with other VMware products e.g. Player 1.0.3

Any chance of a final clue??

Dave

Re: Ability to run ESX as a Workstation guest

12. Jan 30, 2007 1:38 PM in response to: DaveP
Click to view ksc's profile Expert VMware Employees 469 posts since
Sep 21, 2005
Don't set the guestOS; "other 32-bit" is close enough.

Is the hardware correct? ESX requires 2 processors, SCSI (use lsilogic), and networking (use e1000).

There are more isolation options, but those shouldn't show up until you start up nested VMs.

Re: Ability to run ESX as a Workstation guest

13. Jan 30, 2007 1:59 PM in response to: DaveP
Click to view jmattson's profile Master VMware Employees 1,312 posts since
Mar 29, 2006
Sorry, but the mptscsi_2xx driver in ESX 3.0.1 has some incompatibilities with the virtual lsilogic device in VMware products. It's just not going to work.

Re: Ability to run ESX as a Workstation guest

14. Jan 31, 2007 2:52 AM in response to: jmattson
Click to view DaveP's profile Master 1,409 posts since
Aug 30, 2003
Shame about that!
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