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12 Replies Last post: Nov 28, 2006 2:27 PM by larstr

Virtuozzo beat VMware ESX for VPS market?

Nov 26, 2006 5:56 AM

Click to view kach's profile Hot Shot kach 152 posts since
Aug 17, 2006
Hi all, I am not willing to start any religion topic here, but what I need is the non bias comment and the FACT. Hope that this is not orange and apple comparison. Please feel free to read this benchmark result of VZ vs ESX vs MS VS

Which VPS platform is the fastest? Benchmarking Virtuozzo, VMWare and Microsoft Virtual Server on Windows.

And tell me what you think about it in term of these question?

1. Is it true that Virtuozzo is the best at performance?
2. Is it true that VMware doesn't allow to use ESX as VPS business due to restriction of EULA ?
3. Is it true that ESX lack of control panel which allow VPS's custom to easily manage their virtual server like Virtuozzo.
4. What are the features that make ESX and Virtuozzo difference?

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Re: Virtuozzo beat VMware ESX for VPS market? Nov 22, 2006 1:28 AM
Click to view RobMokkink's profile Expert RobMokkink 617 posts since
Jun 7, 2005
Virtuozzo runs on a host based system.
It needs a base os like linux or windows.

I think that is a competator of virtual server en vmware server.
Not for enteprise solutions like VI3
Re: Virtuozzo beat VMware ESX for VPS market? Nov 22, 2006 2:12 AM
in response to: RobMokkink
Click to view kach's profile Hot Shot kach 152 posts since
Aug 17, 2006
I heard some people said that Virtouzzo will simulate OS instead of simulate hardware.
Is that the reason why Virtouzzo faster than ESX based on that benchmark result?
Re: Virtuozzo beat VMware ESX for VPS market? Nov 22, 2006 3:28 AM
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Click to view larstr's profile Virtuoso larstr 2,363 posts since
Mar 11, 2004
I think that is a competator of virtual server en
vmware server.
Not for enteprise solutions like VI3

He was indeed using VMware Server running on Windows XP and Windows Server 2003.

The ESX Eula states:"... services may not consist of services to a third party that provide primarily computing or processing power (such as utility computing or grid computing) or any computer application-based service that is traded, rented, leased or sold on a Virtual Machine basis;...".

IANAL, but AFAICS VMware server does not have a similar part up in the clear in it's EULA.

Lars

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Re: Virtuozzo beat VMware ESX for VPS market? Nov 22, 2006 5:11 AM
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Click to view kach's profile Hot Shot kach 152 posts since
Aug 17, 2006
Thank for the clarify. It seems that EULA is very tricky. It don't care to read it before until now I release that it very important.
Re: Virtuozzo beat VMware ESX for VPS market? Nov 22, 2006 7:20 AM
Click to view zaznet's profile Enthusiast zaznet 64 posts since
Nov 8, 2006
ESX is meant for an enterprise datacenter where the VMs being hosted are owned, managed and utilized by the company owning the ESX hosts. VMware as a company would be foolish to not see the market for VPS leased servers and so for licensing issues I would contact VMware directly if you wish to use ESX as a platform for leasing VPS services to other customers.

As far as the performance measures go, I would get your hardware in place and do a trial run of each product you are interested in. You want to become familiar with each product as there will be some tuning for each that will change your performance. In the testing you linked to, did he use SMP? How many virtual machines per host were running and how many were benchmarking at the same time? How much RAM was configured and what guest OSes were used? Simply too many questions exist to know that their findings will mean the best performance for your specific situation.
Re: Virtuozzo beat VMware ESX for VPS market? Nov 22, 2006 7:32 PM
Click to view Ken.Cline's profile Champion Ken.Cline 5,132 posts since
Jul 7, 2004
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Entirely possible. Remember, Virtuozzo virtualizes the OS, whereas ESX virtualizes the entire hardware platform. Each approach has its benefits and drawbacks.

The primary drawback to the Virtuozzo platform is that EVERY VPS has to be running the exact same OS - version, service pack, and patch level. ESX gives you the freedom to install and run any OS mix you want...
Re: Virtuozzo beat VMware ESX for VPS market? Nov 25, 2006 4:56 PM
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Click to view larstr's profile Virtuoso larstr 2,363 posts since
Mar 11, 2004
One other interesting thing to note regarding this is the MS VS EULA: "In addition to the license terms of this downloaded software, you are also granted rights to use the software to provide hosted services. End customers receiving this software service are not required to obtain their own Microsoft software licenses. [..]"
Re: Virtuozzo beat VMware ESX for VPS market? Nov 26, 2006 1:12 AM
in response to: larstr
Click to view kach's profile Hot Shot kach 152 posts since
Aug 17, 2006
End customers receiving this software service are not required to obtain their own Microsoft software licenses. [..]"

Can this help Microsoft to promote their product?
If so, why does M$ brave enough to do that?
Re: Virtuozzo beat VMware ESX for VPS market? Nov 27, 2006 5:21 PM
Click to view ilyabm's profile Lurker ilyabm 1 posts since
May 3, 2005
Virtuozzo is definitely better suited for VPS market, where density, low overhead and robust resource management are the requirements and ability to run several OSes on one machine is not.
You can read about Virtuozzo in my blog at http://blog.virtuozzo.com/.

- Ilya
Re: Virtuozzo beat VMware ESX for VPS market? Nov 27, 2006 9:11 PM
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Click to view kach's profile Hot Shot kach 152 posts since
Aug 17, 2006
Hi, ilyabm
Sound interesting, but have u ever used ESX before.
What are the major advantage/disadvantage you can notice between both of them?

PS: Just noticed that if you search "Virtuozzo VMware ESX".
This thread will show up as the first result.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=++Virtuozzo++VMware+ESX++&btnG=Search
It's seem to be hot right?
Re: Virtuozzo beat VMware ESX for VPS market? Nov 27, 2006 10:22 PM
Click to view northwest's profile Enthusiast northwest 85 posts since
May 10, 2005
I spoke to a customer or partner at VMWorld who said his business was selling hosted VMs and that VMware had a licensing model for that, where you pay on a monthly basis based on the peak number of VMs you have in the month. Just what I heard :)
Re: Virtuozzo beat VMware ESX for VPS market? Nov 28, 2006 2:27 PM
in response to: northwest
Click to view larstr's profile Virtuoso larstr 2,363 posts since
Mar 11, 2004
I spoke to a customer or partner at VMWorld who said
his business was selling hosted VMs and that VMware

Then I guess VMware has no single policy for it. I have heard of other deals on this as well. They probably have several models based on the size of your hosting solution, etc (guessing). These things are not public so I guess one have to cut the deal with VMware directly if you want to do this.

IMHO it would serve VMware for the good to make a statement or release some official document on this topic. I can see a growing VPS market and I think VMware would have it's place with VI3 there as well. Customers that compare the VMware EULA and the MSVS EULA might go for the latter product without comparing the technologies too deeply.

Yes, VMware Server might be the product that *we* compare to MSVS today, but users not too familiar with this technology might not. And MSVS seems to grow in functionality in VS2005R2SP1/VS2007, not that it would compare to ESX on all the fancy stuff, but it seems to do a lot of things that VMware Server can't (better API, dynamic allocation of resources, excellent marketing, powershell, marketing, many good evangelists, marketing, good technet road shows, marketing, freep2v tool and good marketing.) And they probably don't loose many customers on giving that hosting statement as well. Especially now that ESX explicitly forbids it in the EULA and VMware server says nothing.

Lars
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