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matthew77 Enthusiast 31 posts since
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Jul 4, 2006 11:23 AM

VI3: HA + Vmotion failover

I've got a quesiton about the new HA and Vmotion modules in VI3.  Supposing I had two esx servers, ESX1 and ESX2 and I had one guest VM, VM1.  VM1 is running on ESX1 and ESX1 suddenly goes down.  HA detects the fault and signals vmotion to move VM1 to ESX2, correct?  And if this is the case, what state will VM1 be in when it has been moved to ESX2?  Will the machine be found turned off in a crashed state before it is automatically restarted? 

 

Is it perceivable that one can experience data loss in the failover of a VM from one node to another?

Nicke Master vExpert 1,183 posts since
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1. Jul 4, 2006 1:28 PM in response to: matthew77
Re: VI3: HA + Vmotion failover

If ESX1 fails so will VM1, vmotion will not be available in this scenario. Vmotion will only be available in a load-balancing cluster (DRS). What HA does is basically a restart of VM1 on ESX2.

 

/Nicke

Niclas Borgström Viridis IT
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3. Jul 4, 2006 4:31 PM in response to: matthew77
Re: VI3: HA + Vmotion failover

DRS is used to balance load between multiple servers.. It is not going to do preventative migratiobefore you have a hardware failure... If you have a host fail unexpectedly, HA would restart the VM's on a different host, as Nicke stated...

vreihen Expert 389 posts since
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4. Jul 4, 2006 5:32 PM in response to: matthew77
Re: VI3: HA + Vmotion failover

Is it perceivable that one can experience data loss

in the failover of a VM from one node to another?

 

When VM1 is re-started on ESX2, it would be the in the same state as if you had killed the power on a physical server, ie. crashed state.  Depending on what was going on at the time of the crash, you may or may not lose data.  You can count on losing a few minutes in the reboot/cleanup that follows the HA failover though, as the whole process isn't instantaneous for VMs.

 

There seems to be misunderstandings with the HA/DRS features.  It can move running VMs around the cluster to balance load without interruption, thanks to vmotion.  However, once the physical host that's running a VM goes off-line, vmotion is not an option and all that HA can do is reboot the VM on another physical server and hope for the best.  Hope this clarifies it...

canadait Expert 463 posts since
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6. Jul 5, 2006 1:03 PM in response to: matthew77
Re: VI3: HA + Vmotion failover

Agreed but really how different is this from the physically world. If a server crashes when it comes back up the server is in a crash consistent mode. Granted when an ESX server crashes (never seen it in my environment..knock on wood) you have a bunch of VMs that would restart in crash consistent mode.

 

The advantage in the VMWARE world is that the VMs actually get to restart on another piece of hardware. It is much more difficult to perform this in a traditional physical server environment without using clustering for each physical host and that gets expensive fast!

 

With VMWARE HA you receive High Availability for all your applications including the ones that don't support MS Clustering and there are alot of applications that do not support MSCS.

vreihen Expert 389 posts since
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7. Jul 5, 2006 1:56 PM in response to: matthew77
Re: VI3: HA + Vmotion failover

Thank you for the explanation.  I guess for me the

confusion comes from the fact that I always associate

the concept of high availability with resiliency and

protection from data loss.

 

Don't thank me, thank VMware for explaining it clearly in the live product launch webcast.  They had up some slides explaining the different levels of HA, and where they are today with ESX 3.0.

 

If they have the product launch webcast archived on VMware's web site, it may be worth taking a peek at if you have some spare time.  I don't remember the slides too carefully, but do remember getting the impression that we are not even half-way to HA nirvana even with the improvements in ESX 3.0...

woobleuk Lurker 1 posts since
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8. Jul 7, 2006 5:28 AM in response to: vreihen
Re: VI3: HA + Vmotion failover

Following on from this discussion, is anyone aware of a Systems Management or Failover product that will be able to predict if a server is going to crash, and will be able to integrate with Vmotion to then move the necesarry VM's, therefore ensuring 0 (zero) downtime...?

 

I have looked into the many failover products on the market, and I have yet to find one which can integrate into VMware.

alexmcl Novice 8 posts since
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9. Jul 7, 2006 5:50 AM in response to: woobleuk
Re: VI3: HA + Vmotion failover

I believe there is an integrated feature within IBM Director which allows predictive failure of eg PSU's and will automatically VMotion the VM to the other ESX server before the physical server goes down.

 

This will still only work if both ESX servers are live (normal VMotion) and obviously depends on you having IBM hardware....although Director can manage other brands eg HP but not sure if you could then use this feature via that route??

Ken.Cline Champion 5,167 posts since
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10. Jul 7, 2006 11:41 AM in response to: alexmcl
Re: VI3: HA + Vmotion failover

HP SIM offers similar features, and I would guess that Dell OpenManage does, too. Basically, if you go with a top-tier hardware vendor you can get predictive failure analysis features from their monitoring/management solutions...

 

HP & IBM both have products called VMM (Virtual Machine Management or something similar...) that are bolt-ons to SIM and Director, respectively. Each provides some degree of integration with VirtualCenter...

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