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6 Replies Last post: Apr 26, 2006 12:04 PM by magi  

Working VT support posted: Apr 18, 2006 4:25 PM

Click to view jondavis's profile Novice 18 posts since
Feb 8, 2006
Working VT (Intel Vanderpool) support would be nice.

This is one area Vmware is behind other competing products in and considering how much hype Vmware and Intel are putting out about their collaboration (I received an email from Vmware earlier today ("Get a Virtualization Software and Starter Kit") about it which is what prompted this request).

Re: Working VT support

1. Apr 18, 2006 6:58 PM in response to: jondavis
Click to view ksc's profile Expert VMware Employees 470 posts since
Sep 21, 2005
And ... exactly what isn't working about it?

http://www.vmware.com/support/ws55/doc/releasenotes_ws55.html#bb_64

64-bit AMD processors run without VT. 64-bit Intel processors require VT to run 64-bit guest OSes.

Re: Working VT support

3. Apr 20, 2006 2:17 PM in response to: jondavis
Click to view ksc's profile Expert VMware Employees 470 posts since
Sep 21, 2005
Hmm... looks like some posts from last night disappeared, so I'll reply again.

'VT acceleration' is not true. VT makes virtualization easier; it does not make virtualization faster. (Remember Intel's "MMX makes the Internet faster" commercials?)

The question I have for you is, what is the point of a 32-bit VT guest, for which the method for turning on VT mentioned in the other thread is not sufficient?

Re: Working VT support

5. Apr 23, 2006 4:45 PM in response to: jondavis
Novice VMware Employees 34 posts since
Oct 1, 2003
Jon,

I'm an engineer in VMware's monitor group, who's done a fair amount of work with VT support. Our initial experience with VT has been that we were unable, for most non-trivial workloads, to eke out gains over our traditional software-only monitor. Since our traditional monitor works pretty well for 32-bit, we didn't put ANY effort at all into performance for our 32-bit VT implementation. That's why it's hidden behind a config option.

So, if you want to benchmark our VT stuff, you've absolutely got to do it with 64-bit workloads. E.g., get your hands on an HP wx4300 workstation, which has a VT-enabled pentium 4-64.

Also note that trivial benchmarks (stuff like getpid, fork/wait etc.) are pretty easy to show a "cheat" on and show an apparent win for VT. More complex workloads are harder.

Re: Working VT support

6. Apr 26, 2006 12:04 PM in response to: jondavis
Click to view magi's profile Master VMware Employees User Moderators 2,096 posts since
Aug 8, 2003
I posted a bench of Parallels and vmware i had done
and showed how Parallels was faster in every bench as
a result of VT support (when VT was disabled in
Parallels the results were similar to VMware).

Benchmarking VMs correctly is tricky.

That said, I'd be curious to know what operations you found to be faster under Parallels with VT than VMware Workstation without VT.

I'm puzzled that Vmware is putting out press releases
with Intel lately (and Intel/vmware promotions like
the one I received via email from vmware yesterday)
while not having Intel VT support.

So we do have VT support, it's just that we only use it where it makes sense. Namely, we use it on 64-bit Intel processors, but for 32-bit it wasn't a win as Keith says above.

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