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9 Replies Last post: Nov 17, 2009 8:43 AM by Texiwill  

Can serive console and vmkernel be in the same network? posted: Nov 5, 2009 6:35 PM

Click to view olano's profile Enthusiast 44 posts since
Jul 30, 2009

Hi,

I just want to know if service console and vmkernel can be configured in the same network? Any disadvantages?

Thanks!

Lan

Click to view krowczynski's profile Master 914 posts since
Mar 8, 2009

Hi,

no I would not do so.

I would create a separate vlan for sc and for vmkernel.

MCP, VCP

Click to view AndreTheGiant's profile Guru 5,916 posts since
Aug 28, 2008
In a lab you can use a single physical network and also a single logical network... no big problem.
But in a real environment it's a better choice to have different networks:
  • VMotion traffic is not encrypted and burstiness -> so is better to isolate it
  • iSCSI traffic is not encrypted, could be high, and is better that has low latency -> so is better to isolate it
  • NFS traffic is not encrypted, could be high, and is better that has low latency -> so is better to isolate it

Andre
Click to view uttam_choudhary's profile Novice 7 posts since
Mar 13, 2007
Agree with the above posts. In production this is the best practice to keep both the traffics separate/isolated.
Click to view AndreTheGiant's profile Guru 5,916 posts since
Aug 28, 2008
So if it OK to configure them in the same network and any other influence?

It works ;)

If there is any solution for such situation?

There are a lot of solutions... but all depends on how many NIC do you have and if you want/can use VLANs.
But always consider availability of network... that means at least 2 NIC for each vSwitches...
With few NIC have COS and VMotion on the same vSwitch is a reasonable choice.

Andre
Click to view Texiwill's profile Guru 10,205 posts since
Jan 13, 2004
Hello,

Do you mean 'vMotion' instead of 'vmkernel'? Remember the vmkernel networks are used for iSCSI, NFS, vMotion, and within ESXi, vmkernel also implies the management console.

So which network are we actually discussing? Let's assume this is vMotion as you mentioned you do not use iSCSI or NFS and we are talking about ESXi.

I would give my Blue Gears -- Networking posts a read, specifically this one on Combining Networks. The key things to consider are redundancy, performance, and security. It is also to realize that VLANs are a TRUST issue and not a physical 'security protocol'.

Combining Service COnsole and vMotion on the same pair of pNICS is fine depending on whether you have to adhere to PCI or other regulations, then it really is not a great thing to do. However, for general usage it is accepted and you either have to use VLANs, or subnets. Your vMotion IP address cannot be within the same subnet as your service console. This is enforced by ESX itself.


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Click to view mcowger's profile Virtuoso 2,060 posts since
Aug 22, 2007
Agreed - this is a policy question.

For us, everyone that has access to the SC networks also has full administrative access to every VM running on the relevant hosts, so there's no value in protecting the VMkernel differently than the SC.






--Matt
VCP, vExpert, Unix Geek
Click to view iukkyatk's profile Lurker 3 posts since
Oct 21, 2009

"Your vMotion IP address cannot be within the same subnet as your service console. This is enforced by ESX itself."

Are you sure? We have used vMotion and Service Console in the same subnet for several months without problems.

-Asko-


Click to view Texiwill's profile Guru 10,205 posts since
Jan 13, 2004
Hello,

Interesting.... Okay I should say no two vmkernel ports can share the same subnet... Which is more accurate...

Personally I never use the same subnet for SC and vMotion or iSCSI or NFS. Just confuses my traffic.


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