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6 Replies Last post: Nov 5, 2009 11:56 PM by binoche  

SAS or FC posted: Nov 4, 2009 3:57 AM

Click to view EasoInformatica's profile Lurker 3 posts since
Jun 29, 2009

Hello all

I've gone crazy looking for vmware documents about SAS storage (SAN) with no luck.

Are SAS SANs proven enough for been reliable enough for a critical service? If so, is there any VmWare documentation available?

If you need some background for answering the question here it is.

We have a customer with an absolutely critical service, i mean, the service fails for one hour amd their IT is fired, and customer words are "money is not a problem, i want a reliable solution".

When talking with he customer before the planing we came to the point he was going to start with 8 high performance virtual servers with FT. He would add aditional virtual machines later. Several of those 8 provide the critical service i said before.

Having all of that into account, we choosed to use a FC SAN because of its performance, reliability and for being a proven and mature product.

The problems comes when the customer ears of SAS SANs and ask why not use it. The problem is that we have no VmWare oficial information about it to compare.

Could anyone let me know why or not use SAS? Or at least provide som documentation?

Thanks in advance

Re: SAS or FC

1. Nov 4, 2009 4:20 AM in response to: EasoInformati…
Click to view matthiaseisner's profile Enthusiast 40 posts since
Jun 5, 2009
Hi,

As I understood: We have to distinguish between different meaning of SAS. On the one hand this is used for _S_AN _A_ttached _S_torage. This is kind of a NAS device. On the other hand SAS is _S_erial _A_ttached _S_CSI (bus system). This means, independent of your access connection, the disks in the SAN are connected via SAS on the backend bus. Access connection can be FC or iSCSI. A FC SAN provides fibre channel to disk. This results in higher performance. Both systems have high availability because of redundant backend busses. For details of this pls refer to the documentation of the storage system vendor.

The most important point is, that the storage system is VMware certified to have full access to the VMware support if necessary.

I hope this helps!

Rgds,

Matthias

Re: SAS or FC

3. Nov 4, 2009 4:36 AM in response to: EasoInformati…
Click to view matthiaseisner's profile Enthusiast 40 posts since
Jun 5, 2009
Hi!

I work with EMC storage systems, so I can't say somethg about HP storage systems. I don't know which one is better.

Rgds

Matthias

P.S.: If the answer is useful pls consider to mark this question as answered.

Re: SAS or FC

5. Nov 4, 2009 6:55 AM in response to: EasoInformati…
Click to view raadek's profile Hot Shot 89 posts since
Jun 5, 2006
OK, we should distinguish between:

A) SAS used for back-end connectivity, i.e. disk interface & internal storage array cabling (e.g. controllers to disk shelves)
B) SAS used for front-end connectivity, i.e. connecting storage array to hosts (servers) & thus creating SAS-based SAN

Scenario A) is widely present already, SAS disks are dual-pathed (as FC disks are) & 15k drives perform on par with their FC equivalent. In fact this is a future of disk interface, as I am not aware of any disk vendor working on 8Gbit FC disk connectivity (that would be the next logical step in FC disk interface evolution)

Scenario B) is not massively appealing to me (at least not now) as only a handful of entry-level products supports this (IBM DS3200, HP MSA2000 & maybe few more). The future of front-end connectivity can go in many directions though with some interesting candidates like 10Gbit iSCSI, NFS, FCoE & (maybe) SAS...

Regards,
Radek

Re: SAS or FC

6. Nov 5, 2009 11:56 PM in response to: raadek
Click to view binoche's profile Enthusiast 48 posts since
Mar 24, 2008
Agree!

binoche, VMware VCP, Cisco CCNA

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