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VMware Hacking Course posted: Sep 9, 2009 11:41 PM

Click to view RobMokkink's profile Expert 679 posts since
Jun 7, 2005

Hi,

I just received an email regarding the "VMware Hacking" course they are giving in the Netherlands.

Anyone any experience with this course? And can give me some more information?

Thanks in advance.


Re: VMware Hacking Course

1. Sep 10, 2009 2:54 AM in response to: RobMokkink
Click to view esloof's profile Hot Shot 271 posts since
Nov 11, 2006
Can you forward the email to me?

Re: VMware Hacking Course

2. Sep 10, 2009 2:57 AM in response to: esloof
Click to view dtracey's profile Expert 214 posts since
Sep 11, 2008

Me three!

Thanks.

Re: VMware Hacking Course

3. Sep 10, 2009 4:54 AM in response to: RobMokkink
Click to view mouradb's profile Hot Shot 71 posts since
Apr 25, 2008
Curios to know what is this about, can I have this as well?

MB

Re: VMware Hacking Course

5. Sep 10, 2009 7:32 AM in response to: RobMokkink
Click to view DLeid's profile Expert 273 posts since
Apr 26, 2006


Take a look at this link.

http://interfacetraining.com/courses/vmware/vm-hack-vmware-hacking-uncovered/

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Re: VMware Hacking Course

6. Sep 13, 2009 3:51 PM in response to: DLeid
Click to view Texiwill's profile Guru 10,236 posts since
Jan 13, 2004
Hello,

Tim's course is on target and worth taking. It is based on my research done for VMware vSphere and Virtual Infrastructure Security book to which Tim contributed the Penetration Testing chapter. It is well worth the time to take the course. Tim and I are working to improve the 'demos' presented as well.


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Re: VMware Hacking Course

7. Sep 18, 2009 12:47 PM in response to: RobMokkink
Click to view DataJock78's profile Novice 10 posts since
Jul 8, 2005
Hi Guys,

Tim Pierson here. I am the developer of the course described above. Thanks for your interest in the course. Yes it is being rolled out to Europe this fall at TSTC.nl and Sequrit.nl. It will also be taught in German, French, and Spanish using English materials late this quarter. The course is currently avail in many areas in the US currently. Just Google the title below in bold and you can check out the nearest partner who is delivering it in your area. The course title is actually, Hacking Uncovered:VMware - What every system administrator should know. The Hacking Uncovered part was used to make it catchy.

The title was a little long so we shortened it to: h4. Hacking Uncovered:VMware.

Let me give you a little history of why I did this.

First off let me say that VMware is probably one of the most secure environments I have ever worked with, given that it is installed in a secure manner. Period! It is NOT secure out of the box taking the defaults in my opinion. I wanted to find a way to bring this to the attention of the public who uses this great product.
A lot of thought went into the development of this course. I have been a professional hacker for many years. Now if I wanted to defame this fantastic product ...then of course I could post quite a few of my exploits theorized by Texiwill in his book and some new ones I have uncovered in development of the course on a YouTube video. For example how to steal credentials from your Virtual Center and Hosts during the login process. Even the complex password protected vpxuser that connects the Host to the VC can be stolen by simply rebooting the Host and waiting for it to drop this in your lap utilizing one of the modified tools I wrote for this purpouse. But this course is not about providing Hackers ammuntion, it is about securing our DataCenters. It should be noted that in VMware's defense the above is possible only given the right conditions, and you would have to have access to the network segment that the VC and Host are on. The unfortunate truth is that in my research this setup is all too common. Once the complex password is obtained it is easy to simply log directly into the host using the vpxuser and stolen complex password.

A sample of an actual intercept is posted below.

xmlns="urn:vpxa3"><_this type="VpxapiVpxaService">vpxa</_this><userName>vpxuser</userName>

<password>BkG532dfy6e4yxc64u75iD3-b6:F8]d28\lBk=b{2993H[ragolor</password><soapPort>443</soapPort><hostIp>172.16.4.40</hostIp></LoginVpxa>-----
If you would like to see video clip of the above attack please email me privately. I can't guarantee that I can send it but I will try. VMware has not yet addressed all these issues and to be considerate we have agreed to keep some of these attacks under wraps and not published to the general public.

Texiwill and I showed this to VMware at VMWorld and since then we have been exchanging emails with the security department so they can recreate and address this. We will show you those exploits and you will do this yourself in the class so that you can have first hand knowledge of how easy it might be to fall victim to this in your environment and correct the situation before it exists.

Most Security people are new to the virtual environment. Naturally they do not trust it. Which is how it should be. Most Security people don't have the time or equipment to test each scenario of how it should be deployed and usually rely on best practices. This is a good way to get started, but when virtualization software, like VMware starts thinking outside the box (which they should) and tells you that you can now feel safe running all things on one host including your DMZ environment most security people are skeptical (as they should be).

I wanted to create a lab environment to set up each of these scenarios, from logging in to manage the environment to accessing remote data stores, and the necessity of creating a trusted root certificate for your environment by having the student attack each of these scenarios. Also showing that under some conditions even if all things were done correctly according to best practices you still could be vulnerable.

When I wrote the course I tried to approach it from the perspective of how an attacker would obtain access to your virtual environment because I am a professional hacker. I often tell my attendees at my speaking engagements: h4. "How can I possibly tell you how to protect your home unless I first show you how the burglar breaks into it?"

So to make the class interesting the students put on their "Black Hats" and actually break into the environment using common hacking tools and some that I specially created or modified to work in the virtual environment. I do this in order to drive home the point of how easy this would be for an attacker to accomplish this same thing. Most people are amazed at how vulnerable they actually are and immediately take steps to fix these problems in their own environment. That was the entire reason for writing the class and to draw attention to this very important topic. A topic I feel that if not address will be the downfall of the datacenter and could possibly lead to the next 911 this time in the electronic world because of lax or misunderstood security measures that are all too easy to set up in the virtual enviroment.

As most of you know System Administrators and Security Personnel are usually two different groups in a physical environment. But when we move to the virtual environment each must share a lot of the same responsibilities. Unfortunately a good number of Security people are not familiar with the virtual environment and it is just human nature to either blame or at least not trust something that you are not familiar with. I wanted to create a classroom environment where both the security people and the system administrators can try all of the tests and discover* "on their own"* in prewritten lab exercises how safe or in some cases how vulnerable they are using the various settings in VMware. Just as most security admins I was always the type of person that will believe it if you show it to me, and more importantly remember it if you scare me!

But if you just mention that this could happen in theory it is often passed off as, "Well that could not really happen to me". I wanted to create an environment where the students, be they System Administrators or Security Personnel could test each area that "Texiwill" exposed in his book of which I am a contributor.

"VMware vSphere^TM^ and Virtual Infrastructure Security: Securing ESX and the Virtual Environment"ISBN-10: 0137158009 Pearson Publishing. So there you go Ed!

They would then know firsthand what to feel safe about or what they need to immediately fix.

I did not post this for sales purposes or to try and drive people to the class. I genuinely wish to draw attention to this critical deficit in our datacenters. If handled correctly we can all enjoy a more secure environment while achieving all the benefits virtualization has to offer. This course is not about hacking into VMware it is about stopping the attacker from doing just that.

Hope this helps, but if you have questions please email me. TJPierson@Data-Sentry.com or TPierson@VMTraining.net

Any responses and comments are welcomed!

DataJock78.

Re: VMware Hacking Course

9. Sep 18, 2009 10:15 AM in response to: RobMokkink
Click to view mouradb's profile Hot Shot 71 posts since
Apr 25, 2008
Shocking, VMware need to sort this out asap!! I guess this is a good stuff
to learn.

Any scheduled classes in UK?


MB

Re: VMware Hacking Course

10. Sep 18, 2009 12:13 PM in response to: mouradb
Click to view DataJock78's profile Novice 10 posts since
Jul 8, 2005

Yes I think you will be pleased. As I said I have been a hacker for many years and while VMware is a fantastic product there are things that could be secured better. While some VMware should address directly, others are more about how it is implemented. But rather than casually mentioning it, I designed the class for the greatest shock value. Like my old football coach used to tell me in High school. If I cause you just a little bit of pain or scare you, your not going to do it again. I think each person who has taken the class will agree.

Tim Pierson aka - DataJock78

Re: VMware Hacking Course

11. Oct 8, 2009 2:28 PM in response to: DataJock78
Click to view DSeaman's profile Enthusiast 139 posts since
Oct 5, 2005
Is the link that DLeid posted for the same class you are teaching?

Re: VMware Hacking Course

12. Oct 20, 2009 9:57 AM in response to: DSeaman
Click to view azn2kew's profile Champion 2,941 posts since
Jun 21, 2006
Can you post direct link to US classes to register and are you going to teach the course or Edward in this case? Sounds interesting that VMware Security team should take this as a priority take action asap. I'm sure its under progress...but will the next STIG for vSphere 4.0 version will tackle this issue too? I'm sure Phil Morrision will have to answer this STIG question.

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Re: VMware Hacking Course

13. Oct 22, 2009 8:53 AM in response to: azn2kew
Click to view DataJock78's profile Novice 10 posts since
Jul 8, 2005
Hi Guys,

Sorry for the delay in the post. I have just moved into a new home and don't have my Internet all set up correctly yet. I wanted to emphasize that Kirk Larson of VMware has been working with Edward (Texiwill) to address these problems and any deficiencies. I must say he has been very very diligent in this matter. I also wanted to emphasize I did not write this class to air VMware's dirty laundry, it was to bring to light the shortcomings of not VMware itself but in how it can be set up. Some of these in my opinion need to be corrected on VMware's side of the fence, others are simply a matter of how it is set up. This is the reason the class was created. I took the position that if I were to show you what could disastrously happen in a controlled lab environment then most likely the attendees of the course would correct them in their own environment. Bottom line, VMware has a great product, but the installation should be more secure. As far as getting into one of the classes, yes I am happy to help you with that. Just email me or call me at the number below and we can take care of it. The next US class is in PHX on Dec 14 and the next European class is in Holland also on that date. There is a possibility of a Belgium class at the end of November but not sure on it as yet. We are hoping that VMware embraces this class not ridicules it. There was talk in Europe where any center that were to host the class would be decertified as a training partner. I think that may have been a rumor but I am not sure as yet.

Thanks again.

Tim

Re: VMware Hacking Course

14. Oct 22, 2009 7:25 PM in response to: DataJock78
Click to view DSeaman's profile Enthusiast 139 posts since
Oct 5, 2005

Datajock, do you know who the instructor will be for the PHX class in December? The instructor is a huge part of the learning experience, and I'd hope someone that either wrote the material or is a professional hacker will be teaching the course.

Will the course evolve to include more vSphere topics? We will be 100% ESXi 4.0, and it seemed the course was somewhat tilted to 3.5.

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