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FT VM Backup posted: May 14, 2009 11:41 AM

Click to view Anton V Zhbankov's profile Champion 2,871 posts since
May 26, 2008
Is there a way to backup powered on FT VM since snapshots are not supported?

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Re: FT VM Backup

1. May 14, 2009 12:05 PM in response to: Anton V Zhban…
Click to view depping's profile Champion 2,997 posts since
Jan 17, 2005

VCB with VSS, or client agent?


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Re: FT VM Backup

3. May 24, 2009 2:58 AM in response to: Anton V Zhban…
Click to view AndreTheGiant's profile Guru 5,916 posts since
Aug 28, 2008
So, the only way to backup FT VM with linux as before is to stop FT, backup VM with standard VCB and start FT again?

Yes.

Maybe Data Recovery (http://www.vmware.com/products/vcenter-data-recovery/) could do something, but I'm not sure.

Andre
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Re: FT VM Backup

4. May 24, 2009 5:25 AM in response to: Anton V Zhban…
Click to view Steve Tron's profile Hot Shot 98 posts since
Mar 8, 2008

Hi,

VMware data recovery still uses snapshots I think

Regards

Re: FT VM Backup

5. May 24, 2009 1:52 PM in response to: Steve Tron
Click to view joergriether's profile Hot Shot 189 posts since
Sep 17, 2006
That is an interesting one. Can someone please clarify or test if VCB/VDR works or not? From my view regarding the points mentioned in this thread you simply CAN´T backup an FT enabled machine with vcb or vdr. Only with backup agent inside guest.

regards
Joerg

Re: FT VM Backup

6. May 24, 2009 1:56 PM in response to: joergriether
Click to view mcwill's profile Expert 396 posts since
Mar 13, 2006
Approaching from the other side, I can confirm that VDR utitlises snapshots as part of the backup process. So if snapshots are forbidden for FT then VDR will not work.

Regards,
Iain

Re: FT VM Backup

7. May 24, 2009 2:59 PM in response to: mcwill
Click to view ceemour's profile Enthusiast 75 posts since
Apr 7, 2006

yup

i have tried and failed

both vcb and vdr fail to backup an ft machine when powered on or off

chris

Re: FT VM Backup

8. May 25, 2009 12:10 AM in response to: ceemour
Click to view Rumple's profile Master 1,264 posts since
Jan 6, 2005
Now thats a handly piece of information that perhaps they might have wanted to add to the marketing materials..oh wait..maybe not....

Nice to know I have a machine thats immune to failure..because god forbid I ever need to restore...

Re: FT VM Backup

9. Sep 30, 2009 8:33 AM in response to: Rumple
Click to view kritter's profile Enthusiast 41 posts since
Jul 28, 2008
Unfortunately VCB support of FT VMs did not make into the GA release of vSphere 4. We are actively working on it, though, and are planning to release it as soon as possible. The solution is a bit complicated, and it will take some time to get this scheduled into a release.

Thanks,

Karyn

P.S. For those of you keeping track, I edited this response on 9/30 to remove the optimistic release estimate that was originally in this post. I chose to edit the response rather than post a new one to avoid confusion for anyone finding this post now.

Re: FT VM Backup

10. Sep 30, 2009 1:14 PM in response to: kritter
Click to view ealaqqad's profile Novice 16 posts since
Jul 23, 2009

Hi Karyn,

Thanks for the update, but are you planning to enable snapshots of VMs protected by FT as well.

It has been difficult to get customers to make a real use of VMware FT, as most customers seems to priotize VCB backup & snapshots on FT.

I know you had removed the expected release date from this post, though is it possible to PM me with any expected date just to have a feeling of how to face our clients.


Thanks,

Eiad Al-Aqqad
System X & Storage Technical Specialist
Founder of http://www.virtualizationteam.com/

Re: FT VM Backup

11. Oct 11, 2009 8:21 AM in response to: Anton V Zhban…
Click to view Deb0's profile Novice 36 posts since
Oct 16, 2007
This a big deal for me as I will not be able to implement FT on production VMs in our datacenter. Business units will balk at the availability of this feature, only if they are willing to sacrifice a more important feature. This is a major omission of information in VmWare documentation and should not have required a posting in a forum to discover it.

Now that the release date is pulled, I guess we will have to wait and see when and if it will actually become supported.

Re: FT VM Backup

12. Oct 11, 2009 9:51 AM in response to: Deb0
Click to view ealaqqad's profile Novice 16 posts since
Jul 23, 2009
Hi Deb0,

I understand why you are anger on this, but look at the shiny side of things. This feature is already out you can test and see how it can benefit you.

Beside hey there is some backup solutions which can still get VMware images without using VCB :). Or you can just go use your traditional backup software till the update come out :).

Ah not to forget HA is always still there for you.

I hope this help some one, if it does please reward points.

Enjoy,

Eiad Al-Aqqad
System X & Storage Technical Specialist
"Physical suck, Go virtual check out VMware ESX"
Founder of http://www.VirtualizationTeam.com

Re: FT VM Backup

13. Oct 11, 2009 5:13 PM in response to: ealaqqad
Click to view Deb0's profile Novice 36 posts since
Oct 16, 2007

It's just another example of VmWare touting a feature, without revealing it's any serious limitations it may have. Very disappointing, but not a deal breaker for us. It's not like there's a viable alternative out there.

And I don't consider HA the same as, or a replacement of FT.

Re: FT VM Backup

14. Oct 13, 2009 11:03 PM in response to: Anton V Zhban…
Click to view miromosconi's profile Novice 4 posts since
Jul 7, 2009

A solution will be provided soon ?
There is any workaround?

Keep me in touch, please!!!!

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