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Supermico X7DVL-E puzzling Sata issues posted: Jan 2, 2009 2:04 PM

Click to view kdewitt's profile Novice 17 posts since
Sep 19, 2007
Here's my current configuration;

||_Product Information_|| ||
|*Vendor*:|SuperMicro|
|*X7DVL-E*:| |
|*E*:| |

||_Configuration Tested_|| ||
|*VMware Infrastructure*:|ESXi 3.5u2

VirtualCenter 2.5 Update 2

|*Configuration Tested*:| |
|*Integration Method*:| |

||_Support Information_|| ||
|*Vendor representative?*|no|
|*Configuration Supported?*|no|
|*Support Provider*:|metaflo|
|*Support Provider Contact Info*:|kurt@metaflo.com|
|*Support Provider Website*:|metaflo.com|
|*Support End Date*:|n/a|
|*Known Issues*:|sata controller not working correctly - intel 5000V / ESB2 |
|*Additional Comments*:|see below|


SuperMicro - X7DVL-E (2 x socket 771 64bit Xeon (quad or dual)MB) FSB speed of 1333Mhz/1067 Mhz / 667Mhz - ATX form factor
- ACPI
- 6 x onboard SATA ports (supports RAID 0,1,5,10)
- 2 x Gbit Lan ports-supported by ESB2 south bridge (works 1st time under ESXi!)
- 1 x EIDE UltraDMA / 100 bus master I/F.
- 1 x floppy (I'm not using this.)
- 6 x USB - not using headers, just 2 x onboard on back of system board.
- ATI 16MB ES1000 Graphics Controller
- Super I/O: Winbond W83627HF
- loaded w/ 1 x Dual-Xeon 2GHz cpu in socket location #0
- 2 GB (2 x 1GB) RAM ECC registered memory.
- EIDE DVD
- Bios - 8Mb Phoenix w/ DMI 2.3, ACPI 1.0, PnP, USB kb support, HW Bios virus protection and SMBios 2.3
-

I've been puzzled by this motherboards refusal to work correctly for SATA control for some time now and I'm about at wits end.

The motherboard has a Phoenix Bios (perhaps we should be tracking
versions??) which does contain most of the same settings I've used
successfully on other whiteboxes - i.e.:

- Sata Controller Mode - Enhanced
- Sata Raid Mode - Disabled
- Sata AHCI Mode - Disabled

And indeed, this motherboard worked fine the first time I loaded it up w/ a fresh Samsung 1TB hard drive - HD103UJ.

However, I had formatted the drive correctly in another machine using
Gparted ISO as ESX3. Once I did this, I transferred the drive over to
the machine and then booted up ESXi 3.5.

Machine came up fine and I was then able to connect to it successfully using the VMWare Infrastructure Client on my windows box.

Next, it showed up as a new datastore and I was then able to format it correctly for my system. walaa, it's there.

I then went to the ESXi box's console and did a proper F2 shutdown.

I added 2 x more GB of ECC registered memory (borrowed from an exact
clone of this system - yes, i have 2 systems w/ the same configs http://ultimatewhitebox.com/images/smiles/smilie_knipoog.gif

And then restarted the machine. The machine now hangs during boot of the ESXi Server at this point.

"Starting VMware ESX Server 3i: Loading module ata_piix ...
Starting config Script"

I then took the drive out of this system and loaded it into a
completely different system - an E-machine w/ centron CPU 1.6ghz box
running ESXi 3.5 as well. This e-machine recognized the HD and I was
able to format it using this box. Then I tried to transfer the fully
formatted VMSf drive back to the Supermicro box. the ESXi boot still
hangs at the same place.????

Not sure what to try next. any help would be greatly welcome!!!
 
     
   
   

Re: Supermico X7DVL-E puzzling Sata issues

3. Mar 20, 2009 1:22 PM in response to: kdewitt
Click to view XenonofArcticus's profile Novice 4 posts since
Mar 20, 2009

This system (*Visionman RSX-2ISC10 1U Rackmount Server)* is claimed by the vendor (Tigerdirect) to use the X7DVL-E motherboard:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3867932&csid=ITD&body=MAIN

From their site:

Dual Onboard RAID Controllers
Whether you’re running in a Windows or Linux environment, there is a
RAID controller onboard that will support your server deployment. For
RAID levels 0,1, and 5 in a Windows environment, the included Intel
Matrix Storage controller is currently the best onboard RAID controller
available. For those in a Linux environment, the LSI Logic onboard RAID
controller offer RAID levels of 0,1, and 10.

It sounds like you may want to be using the LSI logic RAID controller instead of the Intel. The LSI lacks RAID5 (which the Intel Matrix offers) but it sounds like you aren't trying to use RAID 5 anyway.

Re: Supermico X7DVL-E puzzling Sata issues

5. Mar 20, 2009 8:14 PM in response to: kdewitt
Click to view XenonofArcticus's profile Novice 4 posts since
Mar 20, 2009

I haven't even run ESXi. I was just basing it on what I had read that the Intel controller was sort of Windows-only, and assumed ESXi would be the same situation.

I'm leaning towards Xen instead of ESXi, since I'm a small F/OSS guy and ESXi (free) really seems to be crippled if you aren't licensing a bunch of VI tools. And, ESXi doesn't seem to be able to take advantage of theSATA RAID on my server for reliability.

Re: Supermico X7DVL-E puzzling Sata issues

6. Apr 29, 2009 2:12 PM in response to: kdewitt
Click to view hcronin's profile Novice 4 posts since
Apr 29, 2009

I'm almost glad to see I'm not the only one having issues with the Supermicro X7DVL-E on-board disk controller. I've encountered all of the problems you've mentioned and some even wierder feces after enabling AHCI support within the BIOS. As far as RAID support within ESXi, I've played with ESXi on several different "whitebox" platforms including several different SuperMicro mother boards and have not successfully gotten the ESXi installer to recognize hardware raid support on any of them. After reading the entries you and others have posted my next step as far as the SuperMicro X7DVL-E motherboard is concerned will be to disable the on-board disk controller and try a couple of different disk controllers I currently have access too. What has become painfully clear is VMware is incredibly finicky and picky about the hardware on which it runs. I'll keep you posted on my results as I move forward.

But let's be honest with each other "we've gotten what we paid for...". The truth is we won't put up with this level of incompatibility if the product were not free. At this point the real question is how much longer can I continue to waste time on a system that is so poorly documented and incredibly finicky about it's hardware configuration. There may not be a price tag associated with the FREE download of ESXi, however, because of the time being wasted on systems incompatibilities and incredibly bad documentation. The total cost of ownership associated with the FREE ESXi hypervisor is making Server 2008 and Hyper-V appear to be a much more cost effective solution after all.

More Later,

HCronin

Re: Supermico X7DVL-E puzzling Sata issues

7. Apr 29, 2009 2:33 PM in response to: hcronin
Click to view XenonofArcticus's profile Novice 4 posts since
Mar 20, 2009
FWIW, I went with Xen, and have been pretty happy with it. I'm using the disk controller in JBOD mode and letting the Xen Linux Dom0 kernel handle the RAID0 in software and then the VM clients (DomU's in Xen terminology) don't see the RAID at all, they just get a reliable block device to use as a hard disk.

Re: Supermico X7DVL-E puzzling Sata issues

8. Apr 29, 2009 4:27 PM in response to: XenonofArctic…
Click to view hcronin's profile Novice 4 posts since
Apr 29, 2009
I to have worked with Zen and have been quite impressed with its performance and stability. The truth is I only have one problem with Zen, as an independent consultant I can't afford to purchase legal copies of Zen, VMware and Hyper-V. To date I haven't been able to acquire an off-site storage copy of Zen Server to play with in my home lab. Since Microsoft support makes up the vast majority of my billable work, I've maintained an MSDN subscription for several years now. So the copies of Server 2008 and Hyper-V, I use in the lab are not only legal but supported. However, from strictly a performance point of view I've never been very pleased with MS Hyper-V.

So when I recently started rebuilding my home lab to fully utilize virtualization I was delighted to see VMware offer the ESXi hypervisor for free. Even with almost thirty years of computer experience under my belt, implementing ESXi hypervisor has been a challenge. Primarily because ESXi has been so terribly particular about the hardware platform upon which it runs. The bottom line has been that by the time I'd gotten VMware's hypervisor up and running it was ANYTHING but free. I've also encountered similar problems while implementing ESXi at customer sites. So when I compare actual personal experience with both Hyper-V and ESXi, total cost of ownership has been far less with Server 2008 and Hyper-V than with ESXi.

Ultimately, since Microsoft represents the vast majority of my billable hours. My goal is to have 1 Hyper-V host server, 1 ESXi host server and 1 Zen host server running within my lab. I then want to see how well Microsoft Virtual Machine Manager really works as the central maintenance console for all three VM hosting products. Who knows maybe one day I'll be lucky enough to only have a single VM environment to support.

Best Regards,

HCronin

Re: Supermico X7DVL-E puzzling Sata issues

11. Apr 29, 2009 8:00 PM in response to: kdewitt
Click to view XenonofArcticus's profile Novice 4 posts since
Mar 20, 2009

To date I haven't been able to acquire an off-site storage copy of Zen Server

I'm using the Xen open source product on top of Debian 5 Lenny. Hasn't cost me anything yet. I was running my first DomU a couple hours after downloading the Lenny install CD.

You do need to enable VT virtualization on your BIOS for best results with any virtual machine system.

The main thing I struggled with on Xen was the % of people using it in production and not just labs...

I figured that if it's good enough to run Amazon's EC3, that's enough credibility to me. I am curious if anyone knows how many DomU clients Amazon runs at any one time, but it's gotta be a lot.

I think Xen can still only do 1 or 2 (correct?)

Can you clarify the question? 1 or 2 what?

I don't have an Enterprise situation (yet). I'm looking forward to adding a few more 1U machines and maybe moving my storage to a NAS so I can hot-migrate DomU's between machines. So far my management needs have been pretty minimal but it's working great.

Re: Supermico X7DVL-E puzzling Sata issues

12. Apr 30, 2009 9:07 AM in response to: kdewitt
Click to view hcronin's profile Novice 4 posts since
Apr 29, 2009
FYI,

Based on my experience with VMware you don't automatically get Vmotion and the backup feature with the new virtual console, vCenter. VI3 is the full infrastructure suite and it includes the virtual console, Vmotion, HA (High Availability) and Backup features. Shortly after releasing the free ESXi hypervisor and the new virtual console replacement vCenter, VMware began to offer a more ala-cart approach to licensing features like Vmotion, HA and backup. Then depending on the version of VI3 your using, you may not get the latest version of the virtual console vCenter. Aren't licensing issues fun to figure out ! (lol)

I would however, like to know the final BIOS configuration for your SATA drives if it's not too much trouble. I've already got VM support enabled within the BIOS, as this has become a fairly standard BIOS setting when implementing either VMware, ZEN or Hyper-V. If I can get ESXi working with these specific motherboards my current customer will be ecstatic because it will be able to recycle several test and development servers into production VM hosts. Allowing me to complete this virtualization project WELL below budget. So any additional help will be greatly appreciated.

HCronin

Re: Supermico X7DVL-E puzzling Sata issues

13. Apr 30, 2009 12:57 PM in response to: kdewitt
Click to view hcronin's profile Novice 4 posts since
Apr 29, 2009
After reading you had gotten ESXi working with the X7DVL-E motherboard I went back and carefully reviewed the wide variety of choices available within the X7DVL-E bios. ESXi finally recognized the Sata drives, loaded and BOOTED after configuring the BIOS for Enhanced SATA support with both Raid support and AHCI support disabled. During the process we re-confirmed the free ESXi download doesn't support the hardware RAID features. Changing the subject I've also just learned that as of April 1, 2009, the full blown enterprise version of XenServer is available free for download from Citrix. More later, right now, I've got a new VM host to add to my lab!

HCronin

Re: Supermico X7DVL-E puzzling Sata issues

14. Jul 2, 2009 10:58 PM in response to: XenonofArctic…
Click to view orenyny's profile Novice 6 posts since
Dec 30, 2005

Hi,

Do you know if there is a way to convert ESXi VM to a XEN (open source) VM?

Thanks.

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