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Capacity Planner - "Pages per second" is driving up # of host servers posted: Mar 31, 2008 3:43 AM

Click to view hennish's profile Enthusiast 38 posts since
Sep 15, 2007
Hi. I'm doing a couple of CAs at my customers, and I keep getting higher recommended numbers of host servers than expected. When I dug a little deeper into the numbers, I realized that this mostly was because of the number of "pages per second", which by default has a limit of 200.

I increased this limit to 1000 just to see what would happen, and the number of recommended host servers dropped from 18 to 5 (!!)

Now, I'm a bit curious about this value:

1. Is 200 really a fair limit for a host server? If not, what would you suggest?

2. The calculated sum of pages/s for the host server in Capacity Planner is the sum of the individual VM's pages/s. Is that really correct, or does the host server have an own performance value for pages/s? How is it sampled in a good way? I can't find it in the VI client.

3. What are your real-life values for pages/s on the hosts?

4. What are your real-life values for pages/s on the VMs?

5. What are your real-life values for pages/s on the physical boxes being polled by CP? Mine are mostly between 30 and 60 (with 3 exception servers around 350) in one company, and between 80 and 200 (with 2 exception servers around 1,100) in another company.

6. Isn't a high pages/s value usually a sign of not having enough RAM, which would indicate that if the server is P2V:d and given some more RAM, the pages/s would drop?

EDIT: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/889654 has some good info on this counter.
Click to view Hackim's profile Novice 5 posts since
May 28, 2006

Hi

I found this description in the Dashboard User's Guide page 83,

The limit is per guest.

"Paging Pgs/sec

The acceptable rate at which a program accesses virtual memory

pages not currently in RAM. Do not set this value below 0.

This is for the guest operating systems, not the ESX Server, and

represents the combined amount of Disk I/O as it is related to paging.

Virtualizing does not remove the requirement for paging. All guest

operating systems add up. All paging is related to storage and latency

on the operating system whether it is a virtual machine or not. The

paging load adds up whether the operating system is in a virtual

machine or not, given that all other parameters stay the same.

Default 200

Suggested 10000"

As for the rest of your questions I'm as curious as you :)

Regards,

Hackim


Click to view Gabrie's profile Master vExpert 902 posts since
Jun 6, 2005

Exact same problem here. Also the 200 pages/sec limit is keeping my number of ESX hosts a bit high. And my guess to would be that assigning more RAM to the VMs after P2V would give a better ratio.

Gabrie

http://www.GabesVirtualWorld.com

Click to view DougBaer's profile Expert 605 posts since
Oct 20, 2004
I would generally increase this counter to 1000 and sometimes as high as 2000 just to consider the differences in consolidation ratios.

My reasoning here is that VMs will be on SAN-based storage which is generally higher throughput and lower latency than local storage (definitely local storage on older hardware), and that factors into the 'Pages Per Second' metric.

My thoughts here are that CP is just a tool for estimation -- you're feeding it information to get a better and better estimate :)
Click to view happyhammer's profile Hot Shot 181 posts since
Sep 7, 2006

i had the question some time back and vmware UK came back with their set parameters as being 10,000.

Also when i did the Cap Planner Boot Camp for the delivery of the offical VMware badged Virtualisation Assessment they use very specific settings that you cant deviate from and the pages per second should be set at 10,000.

hope this helps

Click to view Gabrie's profile Master vExpert 902 posts since
Jun 6, 2005
I would love to hear about those other settings......

http://www.GabesVirtualWorld.com

Click to view markrez's profile Novice 9 posts since
Jan 25, 2007
Any chance you can let us know what those "very specific settings that you cant deviate from" are?
Click to view happyhammer's profile Hot Shot 181 posts since
Sep 7, 2006

Here you go

CPU Usage 60%, CPU Queue 4,

RAM Usage 90%, Page file usage 100, Paging 10,000, File Cache 2147,

Disk Speed 50 Disk i/o 5000,

Network 1000

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