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Re: ESX 3i (installable) on a Dell Poweredge 2650?

15. Sep 17, 2008 7:58 AM in response to: kpc
Click to view jburleigh's profile Novice 10 posts since
Jan 31, 2006
As of right now it is a hardware replacement for some old servers for my small business. I will retire a dual processor, Dell 1300, and single processor PIII 500 Compaq server. ESX 3i installed without a hitch with the PERC 3/di controller. This server should be enough to run small business server and a few others. The RAID configuration is not optimal right now, I have to wait for the drives to come in. Then I will get it configured correctly.

So ESX 3i works on a DELL Poweredge 2650. Period.

At my full time job or as my wife would say my real job, we just retired a couple of older IBM 445 8-way boxes, and replaced them with the X3650 dual quad core with 48 GB of RAM. 4 of them are attached to a DS4400 SAN and our whole production environment is virtualized. Over 100 VMs on those 4 boxes. From our exchange servers to our Oracle 10g databes.

My wife still thinks my side business is just a hobby. I might pick up a Dell 2850 off of EBay for the 64bit capability. I just got my MCITP Enterprise cert and the class got a copy of Server 2008 with 5 cals. So I am itching to get everything moved over.


John

Re: ESX 3i (installable) on a Dell Poweredge 2650?

16. Sep 23, 2008 11:48 AM in response to: jburleigh
Click to view gary1218's profile Novice 6 posts since
Mar 25, 2005

I just finished installing ESXi installable on a Poweredge 2650, with 4GB RAM and a RAID array that I just expanded to 1.09TB. I also updated the BIOS and PERC firmware and the BMC. The installation went without a hitch, I installed the VI client and then used VMware converter to migrate a VM over to it. That also went without a hitch. But, after booting up the server on the new hardware, the thing took 20 minutes to boot, and performs terribly. I checked all of my settings, everything looks OK, updated VMWare tools and rebooted, no change. Right now CPU and memory use is extremely spikey, and the system has widely varying responses to pings, as well as mouse and keyboard pauses when using the console on it.

THEN I checked the HCL to find the 2650 isn't compatible. If I can't resolve it, it's going to be easy for VMware to say it's because it's a 2650. I wish I knew what ABOUT the 2650 is the problem!


Re: ESX 3i (installable) on a Dell Poweredge 2650?

17. Sep 23, 2008 11:58 AM in response to: gary1218
Click to view pingwu's profile Novice 30 posts since
Jan 18, 2005

I am running Dell PE 2650 with 6GB of RAM, with 5 of 150GB 15K RPM Disks on RAID 5. The performance seems OK to me.

Could that be the speed of your HDD and VM memory over allocated?

Ping Wu

Re: ESX 3i (installable) on a Dell Poweredge 2650?

18. Sep 23, 2008 12:05 PM in response to: gary1218
Click to view Dave.Mishchenko's profile Guru 8,974 posts since
Nov 15, 2005
Welcome to the VMware Community forums.

1) Did the virtual CPU count for the VM change when you moved it over?
2) What does the CPU in the VM display (i.e. same spikes as you see on the host).
3) Is it the VM generating the CPU spikes on the host or host processes? On the performance graph, you can see the CPU number for both the host and VMs.

Re: ESX 3i (installable) on a Dell Poweredge 2650?

19. Sep 23, 2008 12:08 PM in response to: pingwu
Click to view gary1218's profile Novice 6 posts since
Mar 25, 2005

Gee, I don't think so. It's 4GB of RAM in mine, with (5) 300GB 15k drives, dual 2.8Ghz Xeon processors. Only one VM and it currently shows me usage data of 1.36GB out of the 4GB RAM, and 1920Mhz out of (2 x 2.786Mhz), visually both in the lower 3rd of the resource graphs in the VI Client. If it weren't for the performance monitor swinging wildly and the poor console performance you wouldn't know to look at VI Client that anything was wrong at all!


Re: ESX 3i (installable) on a Dell Poweredge 2650?

20. Sep 23, 2008 12:15 PM in response to: pingwu
Click to view jburleigh's profile Novice 10 posts since
Jan 31, 2006
That is definitely an interesting issue. My configuration (2) mirrored 36GB, and (3) 72GB in a RAID 5 with 4 GB of RAM. So far, I have not seen any performance issues. I did notice some spikes with CPU and RAM, but after installing the VMware tools and installation. It has performed nicely. Right now, I have two VMs, and will move 3 more over.

Question I have is how are you connected to your array? I have noticed in the past when I am connected to an array through the SCSI cable, I experience long boot times. When I switched over to a fiber connection, the boot times decreased dramatically. I found it out the controller was checking the drives in the array, and would spin up individually.

Click to view gary1218's profile Novice 6 posts since
Mar 25, 2005

Thanks, Dave

1) No, it was 4 processors on the old machine, 4 on the new VM after the move.

2) In the performance monitor the trend is very close, for guest OS the spikes follow the host OS CPU usage spikes tightly, on all virtual cores.

3) Again, on the graph, the guest and host both show the spikes. Chicken or Egg? It's a sql server that's also accepting a lot of write and read filesystem requests. No other VM's on the machine, this is the only one, no other processes involved. also, I note that when I ping the host adapter, I get a steady and quick reply to each ping, but when I ping the guest IP, the reply times are erratic, and follow the pausing of the mouse and keyboard input, so I suspect it's solely the guest that has the issue.

Re: ESX 3i (installable) on a Dell Poweredge 2650?

22. Sep 23, 2008 12:18 PM in response to: jburleigh
Click to view gary1218's profile Novice 6 posts since
Mar 25, 2005
This is a local drive array, in the same box. SCSI drives on the PERC 3/DI controller. Just updated the controller firmware, BIOS and BMC before the installation.

Re: ESX 3i (installable) on a Dell Poweredge 2650?

23. Sep 23, 2008 12:20 PM in response to: gary1218
Click to view jburleigh's profile Novice 10 posts since
Jan 31, 2006
What about your network? Do you have a separate virtual switch for your VMs on a dedicated NIC?

Re: ESX 3i (installable) on a Dell Poweredge 2650?

24. Sep 23, 2008 12:25 PM in response to: gary1218
Click to view gary1218's profile Novice 6 posts since
Mar 25, 2005

One theory I'm working with is that when I did the conversion, I used VMware converter to not only move the VM but increase the size of both volumes: System volume from 4GB to 12GB, and data volume from 120GB to 800GB.
I'm working on the theory of the guest OS not being able to write to the new file structure unless I do some disk maintenance at the guest OS level. I didn't check the VMswitch config. I should do that also... good ideas!

Re: ESX 3i (installable) on a Dell Poweredge 2650?

25. Sep 23, 2008 12:39 PM in response to: gary1218
Click to view Dave.Mishchenko's profile Guru 8,974 posts since
Nov 15, 2005
How many CPU cores does the host have? In the VM are you able to isolate the CPU spikes to a specific process?

Re: ESX 3i (installable) on a Dell Poweredge 2650?

26. Sep 25, 2008 10:47 AM in response to: DI Admin
Click to view vite@1's profile Expert 260 posts since
Sep 5, 2008

Dl,

I don't know how you made out with your 2650?? I've been working with A dell power edge 2850 with hardware raid 5 setup on it and so far so good. Just some input for you.

Re: ESX 3i (installable) on a Dell Poweredge 2650?

27. Sep 26, 2008 10:07 AM in response to: vite@1
Click to view gary1218's profile Novice 6 posts since
Mar 25, 2005

Hello, all -

Thanks for the suggestions. I worked with VMware Tech support on this, and we made some memory resource changes but that didn't solve the issue. What finally corrected it was changing the guest OS's CPU from a Multiprocessor HAL to a Uniprocessor ACPI HAL. Originally, the intent was to "toggle" the HAL from Multi to single, and back to Multi. He had seen this correct similar issues in the past. As soon as we made this change to single core and rebooted, CPU resource consumption dropped from the previous average 75% spikey performance down to 8 - 10%, and performance was back to normal. Since this corrected the issue immediately I didn't bother returning it to multicore.

His theory on this was that while the guest OS was originally using 4 CPU's, the ESX hypervisor and guest were wasting a lot of resources trying to load balance processes that didn't need to be load balanced. By switching to uniproc, you eliminate all of that overhead. By the way, this was a SQL server used for capturing data from a foreign system's "syslogs" so-to-speak, so there are about 15 interface processes capturing data and SQL itself importing it all. Now, the system hums along with resources to spare.

Click to view spostema's profile Lurker 1 posts since
Oct 1, 2008

I also have some 2650's hanging around with PERC3/di RAID, 3gb ram, dual Xeon 2.4ghz processors, when I burn the iso (VMware-VMvisor-InstallerCD-3.5.0_Update_2-110271.i386.iso) and then boot from it on the server, I see the VMware VMvisor Boot menu, then it autocontinues and hangs on "Loading VMware ISO" black screen with a white box and some kind of progress bar at the bottom, and that is where it sits...forever....anyone willing to share BIOS Setting or anything that might help?

Thanks in advance!

Click to view jburleigh's profile Novice 10 posts since
Jan 31, 2006
I will look at my setup once I get back to my office. It won't be until this evening on the Pacific Coast.

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