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24 Replies Last post: Aug 26, 2008 12:32 PM by DiamondBill

OS X Server as a Guest

Jan 15, 2008 12:42 PM

etung 7,387 posts since
Oct 15, 2006 VMware

For those of you not at Macworld, we're showing off an unmodified OS X Server as a guest.

http://blogs.vmware.com/vmtn/2008/01/virtual-leopa-1.html
http://digg.com/apple/Mac_OS_X_Leopard_Server_in_a_Virtual_Machine_Screenshots

Reply Re: OS X Server as a Guest Jan 15, 2008 3:28 PM

bgarner 64 posts since
Apr 26, 2005

This is excellent!
Not that I'm a eula breaker but seems to me a regular copy of Leopard might also run in this environment..

Blake-

Reply Re: OS X Server as a Guest Jan 15, 2008 4:35 PM

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WoodyZ 5,167 posts since
Apr 22, 2004

bgarner wrote:
Not that I'm a eula breaker but seems to me a regular copy of Leopard might also run in this environment.

Until Apple allows for Non-Server OS X to be Virtualized Im quite sure that VMware will incorporate some mechanism to allow that to not happen. That's not to say that someone won't come up with a hack other than what's already out on the Internet.

I'm more interested in seeing Fusion brought to the level where Workstation already is than than to see OS X virtualized. Not that I don't want that too I just want Fusion to be equal or better than Workstation first.

Reply Re: OS X Server as a Guest Jan 15, 2008 11:04 PM

nospamboz 95 posts since
Jan 10, 2007

So is there a new VMware virtual machine standard coming?
Using the native USB mouse and keyboard drivers makes me
think. So does 64-bit.

Reply Re: OS X Server as a Guest Jan 16, 2008 1:20 AM

lsoltero 12 posts since
Dec 9, 2006

Am I correct in assuming that the only restriction to virtualizing OS X server is that vmware run on apple hardware? or will guest OS X Server only run on fusion?

I currently run ubuntu linux on my Quad Mac pro. My hope is that Workstation for linux will run OS X Server as a guest. Anyone know?

--luis

Reply Re: OS X Server as a Guest Jan 16, 2008 4:26 AM

in response to: lsoltero

hoosiermac 11 posts since
Mar 18, 2007

Apple's server license allows for OS X Server to be run virtually only on OS X Server.

Reply Re: OS X Server as a Guest Jan 16, 2008 4:45 AM

DaveP 1,336 posts since
Aug 30, 2003

Great news. I am looking to ramp up software development on Mac OS X and having 2 things in the VMware product range would be fanatastic:

1. OS X virtualization - happy if on Mac hardware.

2. Workstation faciltities - mutliple snaphots, clones, teams, VIX, Crosstalk etc., to give me the best developer experience, similar to what I do today on Windows and Linux

I would be happy if this was a separate product priced at Workstation prices.

Reply Re: OS X Server as a Guest Jan 16, 2008 5:02 AM

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Bob Zimmerman 224 posts since
Dec 22, 2006

No, it does not. The only requirement is that it be on Apple hardware:

A. Mac OS X Server Software. This License allows you to install and
use one copy of the Mac OS X Server software (the “Mac OS X Server
Software”) on a single Apple-labeled computer. You may also install
and use other copies of Mac OS X Server Software on the same Apple-
labeled computer, provided that you acquire an individual and valid
license from Apple for each of these other copies of Mac OS X Server
Software.

It doesn't specify the host OS at all.

Reply Re: OS X Server as a Guest Jan 16, 2008 5:42 AM

in response to: nospamboz

etung 7,387 posts since
Oct 15, 2006 VMware

So is there a new VMware virtual machine standard coming?
Using the native USB mouse and keyboard drivers makes me
think. So does 64-bit.

The blog post refers to drivers in the guest, e.g. we're not injecting our own drivers. This is the same as for other guests (before you install Tools). Fusion had support for 64-bit guests from day 1. I can't comment on unannounced products, of course, but at least from these perspectives, a new standard is not necessary.

Reply Re: OS X Server as a Guest Jan 16, 2008 6:22 AM

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SMB 382 posts since
Mar 14, 2006

That depends on how you read "You may also install and use other copies of Mac OS X Server Software on the same Apple-labeled computer." To me it seems the same as the Windows 2003 Enterprise license that allows you to run it and 4 copies of it on one machine. In order to do so the host must be that same Enterprise licensed copy on the host that is on the guests.

I read that statement like "you may install one copy of OS X Server on a single Apple branded computer. You may also install other licensed copies of OS X Server on that same single copy of OS X Server on an Apple branded computer."

Reply Re: OS X Server as a Guest Jan 16, 2008 8:32 AM

Pat Lee 977 posts since
Jan 3, 2007 VMware

Eric,

Thanks for posting this. It was long and crazy day at Macworld yesterday.

It is exciting to show of this Technology Preview. The team probably installed Mac OS X Server off the Apple image probably 25 times in demos yesterday while running another already installed copy at the same time alongside Windows XP running in Unity, and Ubuntu 7.1 all running in separate Spaces.

Pat

Reply Re: OS X Server as a Guest Jan 16, 2008 10:10 AM

davidaf 7 posts since
Jan 10, 2008

So, how long before this is available (beta or GA)? Will it be an upgrade or a new product similar to how the competition is doing it?

Reply Re: OS X Server as a Guest Jan 16, 2008 10:50 AM

in response to: SMB

Bob Zimmerman 224 posts since
Dec 22, 2006

Note that it does not say that you have to install it natively. The license just allows you to install it once "on a single Apple-labeled computer". That could potentially be inside a virtual machine on an Apple-labeled computer. Admittedly, that's probably not what they intend, but the literal language of the license could permit OS X Server to run on other host operating systems so long as it is on an Apple-labeled computer.

Reply Re: OS X Server as a Guest Jan 16, 2008 11:16 AM

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WoodyZ 5,167 posts since
Apr 22, 2004

davidaf wrote:So, how long before this is available (beta or GA)? Will it be an upgrade or a new product similar to how the competition is doing it?

VMware does not comment on it product development plans until they decide to comment on what and when so it's a waste of time asking!

Reply Re: OS X Server as a Guest Jan 16, 2008 11:18 AM

in response to: WoodyZ

davidaf 7 posts since
Jan 10, 2008

Thanks Woody, Then i'll ask my sales rep and say yes to their silly NDA.

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