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VI Client 2.5 only supports 32bit OS? posted: Dec 11, 2007 11:06 AM

Click to view jprior's profile Enthusiast 77 posts since
May 18, 2006

Working through my ESX 3.5 / VC 2.5 upgrade, I download the new VI client onto my workstation (Vista x64 Enterprise) and receive a lovely error message that "This product be installed only on 32-bit operating systems."

Why was that broken? VI client previously worked fine on x64, now it doesn't? Anyone have any workarounds to get it to run on x64 yet?

Re: VI Client 2.5 only supports 32bit OS?

1. Dec 11, 2007 11:18 AM in response to: jprior
Click to view mcwill's profile Expert 396 posts since
Mar 13, 2006
Yep, we hit this as well, and it is probably the only thing stopping me from hitting the "buy" button on the foundation bundle at the moment.

We got around it by temporarily installing the client on another 32bit PC and remote desking to that PC to manage the server. Whilst acceptable for testing it isn't a viable solution for production.

Re: VI Client 2.5 only supports 32bit OS?

3. Dec 11, 2007 7:30 PM in response to: jprior
Click to view ngrundy's profile Enthusiast 49 posts since
May 22, 2005

Well this is useful isn't is.

Looks like we will be forced to stay at the 3.0.2 and VC 2.0.2 software level. 4 of the 6 administrators who use VIC on a daily basis here, including myself all run x64 operating systems on our workstations. Be they XP or Vista.

Looks like it's time to find an account manager to start yelling at loudly.

Re: VI Client 2.5 only supports 32bit OS?

4. Dec 12, 2007 7:50 AM in response to: jprior
Click to view dmadden's profile Enthusiast 66 posts since
May 9, 2007
Even in 3.0.2 the VI Client was only supported on 32 bit operating systems.

Re: VI Client 2.5 only supports 32bit OS?

6. Dec 12, 2007 4:56 PM in response to: ngrundy
Click to view clerum's profile Novice 4 posts since
Dec 10, 2007

Same here.

x64 workstations are becoming more and more common.

So far VI-Client and itunes are the programs I'm currently having problems with.

Wondering if there is a command line switch to bypass the OS check....

Re: VI Client 2.5 only supports 32bit OS?

7. Dec 12, 2007 6:13 PM in response to: clerum
Click to view akemp's profile Enthusiast 22 posts since
Nov 8, 2004

Hey All,

I've done a "straw poll" worldwide, albeit internally - to my peers to gauge the level of interest, complaints etc in regards to not supporting 64-bit client. To date, only the posts listed here are the only customers worldwide who have said they needed this client to be 64-bit. You do have a valid point that the checker has only now kicked in, so maybe there is a "hidden" 64-bit ADMIN workstation community, which has NOT been seen before by VMware.

As mentioned on a previous post, the documentation has always stated 32-bit requirement for the client, since the overwhelming OS for the desktop worldwide, including IT administration, is still 32-bit based. We have focused our efforts to provide 64-bit support for Linux and Windows and our ESX kernel, which is where we saw the demand - the server backend.

This doesn't mean VMware doesn't care about our customers, or for being shortsighted, etc - each support effort requires backend processes and testing to provide true support for a product. In this case 64-bit client support would entail full integration with the vendor OS (Windows and the various flavours of Linux) - not just "get it to work". That's a huge effort if you think about the amount of OS changes that need to be vetted properly to ensure a working product, support processes in the back-end and continuous development. I want to be clear - VMware is not saying "it's just not worth it", we are saying "do we need to shift resources right now?"

Now this doesn't mean we are not going to ever have support for a 64-bit client, but to be frank it will most likely will not occur immediately as requested by some people. We have also seen issues with some of the OS components in the 64-bit environment, hence the OS checker has been activated. What I will ask if it is possible to remove the OS checker restriction to allow customers to "go it alone" with no support, but even that has it's own issues as some people would assume support since it installed. Maybe a warning message with a check-box so you could agree to "go it alone" before install?

Now I know it's not the true solution you are looking for - but you've all run workstation in the pass to support applications that may not run on your host environment - this would be one of those situations as a workaround temporarily. A small 32-bit XP with the client that you could suspend\activate when needed would do the trick.

Finally , we do listen - this has been raised internally to the executive level in the US by myself just yesterday. We are contiuously evaluating where to put our resources for a variety of products and we will look at this issue from a global perpective in order to make the right decision for all of our customers.

Regards,

Andre Kemp

Sr. Product Marketing Manager

VMware, APAC

Re: VI Client 2.5 only supports 32bit OS?

8. Dec 12, 2007 6:31 PM in response to: akemp
Click to view RickPollock's profile Enthusiast 73 posts since
Jul 25, 2007
I think a switch to bypass the OS would be great. I think your going to be seeing more of this with most of the new CPU's being 64-bit compatible. I dont really think its worthwhile to use a 64-bit OS on a PC, but that just my preference.

Re: VI Client 2.5 only supports 32bit OS?

9. Dec 12, 2007 6:49 PM in response to: akemp
Click to view ngrundy's profile Enthusiast 49 posts since
May 22, 2005

Hi Andre,

Thanks for your response. It's good to see such a request taken seriously. The ability as you say to "go it alone" would be useful in the current situation. I've given consideration to creating a VM as you say on my desktop to run the new client in. My hesitation around this is that next to my web browser and email client the VI Client is where is spend most of my day and having to work within a VM constantly would become tedious fairly quickly. I've done it before when my previous desktop machine was a macintosh.

Hopefully, we'll see some encouraging progress around this in future product updates.


Re: VI Client 2.5 only supports 32bit OS?

10. Jan 2, 2008 7:59 PM in response to: akemp
Click to view shurik@peacetech.com's profile Enthusiast 42 posts since
Feb 20, 2007
Andre, they are not alone :-). All our workstations are XP 64 bit as well and have been for over a year.

Please add my vote :-)


Alex

Re: VI Client 2.5 only supports 32bit OS?

11. Dec 13, 2007 5:30 AM in response to: akemp
Click to view aharden's profile Enthusiast 19 posts since
Sep 30, 2003

With all due respect: without an effort to poll your customer environments programmatically and proactively, there's probably no way you could have known how many customers ran the VI Client on x64 OS's. My VC server and workstation OS's are 32-bit, but I probably have a few VIC installs on shared WS2003 x64 servers.

On the server side, my best practice is to install WS2003 x64 on capable hardware, barring known application incompatibilities. Most 32-bit apps we use run fine on x64. I doubt that VMware or other ISVs will be pushed to support x64 OS's unless customers proactively adopt it. Please know that many of us want to move to x64 OS's natively to support the processors we've been purchasing for over 2 years, as well as to avoid purchasing WS2003 Enterprise for systems with 4GB-32GB of RAM.

Thanks,
-Alex Harden

Re: VI Client 2.5 only supports 32bit OS?

12. Dec 13, 2007 5:08 PM in response to: akemp
Click to view devol_us's profile Novice 11 posts since
Dec 11, 2007

So vmware supports 64bit guest os's, but you can't manage them from a 64 bit machine? How does that work?

What will you do when someone wants to install virtualcenter onto a 64bit host?

Re: VI Client 2.5 only supports 32bit OS?

13. Dec 14, 2007 10:43 AM in response to: devol_us
Click to view nathanbach's profile Novice 9 posts since
May 14, 2005
I completely agree. I just upgraded our lab to VI 3.5 and then found this issue. In a year no admins will be running 32 bit OS. As an Enterprise VMware partner this really is a bad move on VMware's part. It's going to be a big stumbling block to new customers. FIX IT!

Re: VI Client 2.5 only supports 32bit OS?

14. Dec 14, 2007 2:07 PM in response to: nathanbach
Click to view jlauro's profile Expert 660 posts since
Feb 18, 2004
Add me to the list. This is very frustrating. I don't even know why the client is so tied into windows anyways. It should just be packaged as a VM ready for vmplayer if you can't support 64 bit windows. This definitely puts a slowdown on our testing and deployment to 3.5. The worse part is, this is a downgrade as we were previously able to run the other version in 64 bit windows.

If there way a straw poll, it was probably assumed the question was if there was a need for a 64 bit version of the app. No one probably cares much about that as long as a 32 bit version runs under 64 bit windows! Obviously your poll was flawed in how the question was asked.
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