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Re: SATA Support Clear as Mud!?

150. Apr 2, 2008 2:42 AM in response to: DannyH73
Click to view a18041967's profile Enthusiast 120 posts since
Mar 11, 2005

Update on my testing last night, V3.5 will happily install, and runs perfectly on the ML115 once the configuration changes have been made, but Vi3 fails to install due to supported hardware not being found. Now for the interesting part, as there's no command line options in Vi3 I tried to find a way to add the new PCI ID's to the Vi3 installation CD, this is what I've found:

On the CD there's a file called BINMOD.TGZ within this, there's a file /etc/vmware/simple.map I extracted this and added the new entires and then attempted to recreate the BINMOD.TGZ file with the updated simple.map file. Using WINISO I then repalce the BINMOD.TGZ with my new updated file in the ISO file, so far so good.

The new CD booted OK but then crashed/panic'ed indicating that there was a corrupt file, I found that during the Vi3 installation you can press TAB key and modify the installation command, I therefore pointed the installation back to the original BINMOD.TGZ file and the installation started correctly but failed due to missing hardware. The reason for so much detail is that if we can find a way to update the BINMOD.TGZ file we maybe able install Vi3 with all the new controllers. I'm not sure if my new BINMOD.TGZ file is corrupt due to the way I created it, or if there's a checksum that is invalid due to the updates I made.

Re: SATA Support Clear as Mud!?

151. Apr 2, 2008 9:29 AM in response to: pdewild
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Apr 2, 2008

All I have to say is 'wow'. I have never had to jump thru so many hoops to install a piece of software. And when the hoops are 'Clear as Mud' it really does not speak well for this product as far as I am concerned. I have spent the better part of a week trying to get this installed on a Sun X2200 with the MCP55 controller. I ran the 2a version of the script and it bombs all over the place not finding paths and commands.

I don't understand item #1 'Install ESX, should work just fine'. It doesn't work fine isn't that the reason we have to run this script? If I can't even mount to the drive how I'm not sure how the install 'works just fine'. If I understand correctly the script needs no mods. I moved it to the machine from a USB drive using Ubuntu LiveCD. Tried running it from the Desktop and then I moved it to the root and tried running it from there, same problem.

I also tried running gosata script that is in this thread as well. It bombs with a syntax error on line 55 or 56....lovely.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. I'm about ready to give up...

TIA


Re: SATA Support Clear as Mud!?

152. Apr 2, 2008 9:39 AM in response to: tday71
Click to view blackforce's profile Novice 30 posts since
Dec 8, 2007

ESX is an amazing product. Using sata in a production environment is not recommended or desirable at all. ESX is designed for SCSI and will always be that way. If you have a server with a supported SCSI card then ESX will install fine. What people are doing here is trying to get ESX working on cheap hardware with cheap controllers.

Obviously ESX is an expensive bit of software designed to work with high quality approved hardware. This is why VMWARE has an approved list of hardware to ensure a robust stable product.

Re: SATA Support Clear as Mud!?

153. Apr 2, 2008 9:47 AM in response to: tday71
Click to view blackforce's profile Novice 30 posts since
Dec 8, 2007

This is what I did. I think you are using an old version of the script. This is copied from Page 5.

I booted into troubleshooting mode then I enabled SSH :-

To allow the root user to login to a VMware ESX Server over the network using SSH, do the following:

  1. login to root
  2. vi /etc/ssh/sshd_config
  3. Change the line that says PermitRootLogin from "no" to "yes"
  4. do service sshd restart

Then I used winscp and uploaded the script to the default folder it connects to. Then I Changed permissions on the file to 777. I then ran 0.61 and it ran fine http://communities.vmware.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif

Use the file I have attached.

Attachments:

Re: SATA Support Clear as Mud!?

154. Apr 2, 2008 11:39 AM in response to: blackforce
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Apr 2, 2008

Blackforce, thanks for your quick reply. I tried following your instructions but do not get very far. First and foremost, Linux is pretty new to me so be patient with me please.

I logged in and tried to change the config file u mention. However, I had no sshd_config file in there. There was a ssh_config file but the line you specify does not exist. Correct me if I am wrong but this is to simply get the script on to the machine, correct? Does moving it to the machine via ubuntu LiveCD somehow cause it not to work? Once I got it to the machine I opened up a terminal and moved it from the Ubuntu desktop to root. I used the script that you attached and ran it as-is. I get a syntax error on line 53 just like before.

Only thing I can think of is that I have to be in the ESX Server troubleshooting mode to get this script to work. I'm gonna go give that a shot while I wait for your reply.

With respect to my 'suspect' hardware. My machine and it's SATA controller are on the approved list.

Thanks again for your assistance.

Re: SATA Support Clear as Mud!?

155. Apr 2, 2008 1:44 PM in response to: tday71
Click to view blackforce's profile Novice 30 posts since
Dec 8, 2007

If you vi that file and then scroll down

you will see it

you will need to scroll down half way

When using VI scroll down find the value then press insert, change the value, then hit esq.

then type :wq

This is for enabling SSH so that you can upload the file. If you look on page 4 or 5 I had same problem ish.

use troubleshooting mode.

The MCP55 is not a published supported controller

http://www.vmware.com/pdf/vi35_io_guide.pdf

Even if it was, SATA is not recommend for production. SAS/SCSI is minimum

Although people are getting some SATA controllers to work due to the increase in support for them. The MCP55 chipset is rubbish too. My server I use to test at home, has it. One of the worst out there.

Re: SATA Support Clear as Mud!?

156. Apr 3, 2008 1:56 AM in response to: blackforce
Click to view a18041967's profile Enthusiast 120 posts since
Mar 11, 2005

I have to disagree with you blackforce on a number of points, I've been using VMWare since V1.52 and use ESX extensively in production environments running on high end HP DL585 servers. Your point about it not being officially supported is correct, but the performance differences between SCSI & SATA are not that different now. In addition to using fully supported hardware I have been running custom whitebox solutions using SATA & the LSI controller, I'm now running the ML115 with the standard onboard MCP55 controller and have seen no difference in performance and is ideally suited as a test/R&D box. I'd be interested in a little more detail regarding your statement that the MCP55 is rubbish, maybe there's a difference in the RAID functionallity, but you have to also take into account the server hardware cost, £130 for an brand new delivered ML115 is a bargain ESX option.

Re: SATA Support Clear as Mud!?

157. Apr 3, 2008 2:06 AM in response to: a18041967
Click to view blackforce's profile Novice 30 posts since
Dec 8, 2007

lol, i knew i was asking for trouble when i put my previous post.

The reason why i said the MCP55 is rubbish is because it does not support any form of raid. If you try and get it running with ESX its just presented with seperate disks. I too own a ML115, they are ideal for testing.


Re: SATA Support Clear as Mud!?

158. Apr 3, 2008 2:17 AM in response to: blackforce
Click to view a18041967's profile Enthusiast 120 posts since
Mar 11, 2005

Are you sure, I know people have been experiencing problems configuring the RAID functionallity but it does exist. If you go into the BIOS you have to enable the RAID functionallity, and then enable each of the SATA ports. If this is done correctly your are presented with a F8 Raid configuration during bootup this then allows you to create RAID 0,1 & 5 arrays, ESX will then just install on top of the array.

One final point the ML115 support RAID 5 but the ML110 does not.

Re: SATA Support Clear as Mud!?

159. Apr 3, 2008 2:42 AM in response to: a18041967
Click to view blackforce's profile Novice 30 posts since
Dec 8, 2007
raid does exist, and i have enabled it. No matter what you do it sees it as a JBOD. I have tried raid 0,1,5 it does not work. During the ESX install it will see seperate disks

Re: SATA Support Clear as Mud!?

160. Apr 3, 2008 3:51 AM in response to: a18041967
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Mar 25, 2008
I have tried this and get the same problem as blackforce - if anyone has done it differently it would save me the $100 on a 2410SA raid card!

Re: SATA Support Clear as Mud!?

161. Apr 3, 2008 6:42 AM in response to: eabeukes
Click to view a18041967's profile Enthusiast 120 posts since
Mar 11, 2005
Interesting, you have also possibly saved me some money as I'd only tried the RAID config using a single, planning to buy extra. I suspect that ESX is only recognising the disks as IDE because at install time it does not recognise the MCP55 controller.

Has anyone tried installing ESX on a small IDE drive, adding the MCP55 controller configuration and then enabling the SATA RAID 5 at which point a VMFS can then be created?

Re: SATA Support Clear as Mud!?

162. Apr 3, 2008 6:45 AM in response to: a18041967
Click to view DannyH73's profile Lurker 4 posts since
Mar 14, 2008
See my post at the end of page 10 - I created a JBOD RAID array with 1 SATA disk for VMFS, and I installed ESX onto 1 IDE disk configured also as a JBOD RAID array, so you should be able to do the same I guess ;-)

Re: SATA Support Clear as Mud!?

163. Apr 3, 2008 6:53 AM in response to: a18041967
Click to view blackforce's profile Novice 30 posts since
Dec 8, 2007

i think its the controller. I even tried this.

Turned Raid on

Created Raid 1 with 2 drives

Then i installed windows.

It saw 1 drive

after installing windows I examined the contents of the disks. Disk 2 was completely different, had my old esx install still on it.


Re: SATA Support Clear as Mud!?

164. Apr 3, 2008 9:38 AM in response to: jtkv
Click to view Leatherwood's profile Lurker 5 posts since
Apr 3, 2008

Hello - I'm curious about your post using sata drives.

Q. What is the performance like and are you using the sata controller build right into the motherboard straight out of the box?

I've read where the LSI cards are working with SATA but your indicating that you have no additional raid controller.

Q. Correct me if I'm wrong but you also indicated that you have your ESX server core OS and your data store on the same drive?

That would be awesome if possible.

Thanks for the reply

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