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Re: SATA Support Clear as Mud!?

135. Mar 23, 2008 1:20 AM in response to: Dave.Mishchen…
Click to view mikelane's profile Hot Shot 240 posts since
May 14, 2007
Dave.Mishchenko wrote:What are you seeing with lspci now?
I think just the same as before:

/root$ lspci
00:00.0 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 03ea (rev a1)
00:01.0 ISA bridge: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 03e0 (rev a2)
00:01.1 SMBus: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 03eb (rev a2)
00:01.2 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 03f5 (rev a2)
00:02.0 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 03f1 (rev a2)
00:02.1 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 03f2 (rev a2)
00:04.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 03f3 (rev a1)
00:06.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 03ec (rev a2)
00:08.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 03f6 (rev a2)
00:08.1 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 03f6 (rev a2)
00:09.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 03e8 (rev a2)
00:0b.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 03e9 (rev a2)
00:0c.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 03e9 (rev a2)
00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 03d0 (rev a2)
00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices AMD K8 Athlon64/Opteron HyperTransport Technology Configuration
00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices AMD K8 Athlon64/Opteron Address MapK8 NorthBridge
00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices AMD K8 Athlon64/Opteron DRAM Controller
00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices AMD K8 Athlon64/Opteron Miscellaneous Control
01:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82540EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 02)
01:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 8254NXX Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 04)

Re: SATA Support Clear as Mud!?

136. Mar 25, 2008 4:21 AM in response to: mikelane
Click to view a18041967's profile Enthusiast 120 posts since
Mar 11, 2005
Very interesting thread, now that we have a number of new ID's that appear to work has anyone tried updating the ESX ISO image with the entires so that the SATA controllers are recognised during installation. Using a tool similar to WinISO allows files to be added edited etc. Do we now have a master XML file with all the new entires in?

Re: SATA Support Clear as Mud!?

137. Mar 25, 2008 1:06 PM in response to: a18041967
Click to view JanPekman's profile Lurker 5 posts since
Sep 26, 2006
So what about performance like a copy job from VMFS Volume to another VMFS volume?

I have a HP SATA SA2610 in a HP ML115. That has been great with support out of the box. I'm very happy with it untill I measured 9MB/s transfer rate when copying an ISO from VMFS to VMFs volume.

Job with VeeAM FastSCP. Which seems rather slow. (7 VM's running a the same time though.)

What tranfer rate could I expect from the omboard SATA controller?

Can anyone measure it and post transfer rate?

BTW I measured it with a ML350G5 with a HP SCSI RAID controller and that was still a "lousy' 25MB/s..

Re: SATA Support Clear as Mud!?

138. Mar 25, 2008 1:51 PM in response to: JanPekman
Click to view rpartmann's profile Expert 223 posts since
Feb 8, 2007
Hi,

using "linux" commands like cp,mv to access VMFS are very slow.

This is because of the META data updates.
As a matter of fact this WILL not get very fast.
if you find a tool which creates a big file at once, like vmkfstools with vmdk files, and then copies the contetent you have won. btw: if you find let me know....

hth,
Reinhard.





ps: Award points if you find answers helpful. Thanks.

Re: SATA Support Clear as Mud!?

139. Mar 25, 2008 2:20 PM in response to: rpartmann
Click to view JanPekman's profile Lurker 5 posts since
Sep 26, 2006
You got ML115 with onboard SATA running.

When you use Veeam FastSCP http://ictfreak.wordpress.com/2007/12/31/vmware-veeam-fastscp-and-vmware-esx-35/

And copy >1 GB ISO from one VMFS volume to another, what transfer rate do you get?

I'd very welcome if you want to do that for me. Then I know if it's worth the steps to switch from HP SA2610 to onboard SATA ;)

Thx in advance

Re: SATA Support Clear as Mud!?

140. Mar 25, 2008 5:09 PM in response to: rpartmann
Click to view eabeukes's profile Lurker 7 posts since
Mar 25, 2008
I have it working now on a single disk ML115 (thank you guys points on the way when I figure out how!) - anyone run a ML115 in RAID1 or RAID5 using the onboard SATA? How does ESX install / run on it? And does it show up as JBOD during install or as a single disk?!

Re: SATA Support Clear as Mud!?

141. Mar 25, 2008 11:38 PM in response to: JanPekman
Click to view rpartmann's profile Expert 223 posts since
Feb 8, 2007
hi,

hi scsi == (1scsi drive jbod on a smart array 5302/32mb cache)

windows to esx (internal sata) with fast scp 2,5MB/sec ...... (whats fastscp said)
windows to esx (scsi) with fast scp 19,5MB/sec ...... (whats fastscp said).

scsi -> sata 2.02MB/sec ...... (time_end - time_start)in sec/(#bytes/1048576)
sata -> scsi 17.4MB/sec ...... (time_end - time_start)in sec/(#bytes/1048576)

wouldn´t say a perfect benchmark but shows that sata is crazy slow here....but for testing its ok.

hth,
Reinhard





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Re: SATA Support Clear as Mud!?

142. Mar 26, 2008 3:28 PM in response to: rpartmann
Click to view JanPekman's profile Lurker 5 posts since
Sep 26, 2006

That sure makes me stay with the SA2610 if not go to SAS one day.

My test with windows to vmfs

Operation completed in 3 minutes and 29 seconds, 2 575 171 584 bytes copied (average transfer rate 12017.34 KB/s)

Thx again!


Re: SATA Support Clear as Mud!?

143. Mar 27, 2008 3:18 PM in response to: JanPekman
Click to view poko70's profile Lurker 3 posts since
Mar 27, 2008
I know I might be being a bit dim, but can someone please post an idiot guide to getting an ML110 G5 working?

It installs ok if I make no changes to the BIOS whatsoever (RAID disabled) but can't see any SCSI disks for VMFS volumes

If I enable RAID in the BIOS, ESX 3.5 won't install, as it says that there are no disks in the server. I have used the 250Gb SATA that the box came with, and bunged in 3 x 750Gb disks on top.

It sounds like people have got it working with the onboard RAID, but I can't work out how exactly.


Eternally grateful! :D

Poko

Re: SATA Support Clear as Mud!?

144. Mar 30, 2008 12:19 PM in response to: poko70
Click to view supahted's profile Novice 23 posts since
Jun 18, 2007
Poko this is the procedure i use to install ESX 3.5 on a HP ML 110 G5:

1. Goto BIOS en reset all BIOS settings to default (F9). Enable Intel VT support for the CPU.

2. Install ESX

3. After the install is ready, reboot and goto BIOS. Set SATA mode to: SATA.

4. You know should be able to format your SATA harddisk as a VMFS volume in the VI client.

Re: SATA Support Clear as Mud!?

145. Mar 31, 2008 6:58 AM in response to: supahted
Click to view poko70's profile Lurker 3 posts since
Mar 27, 2008
Thanks supahted.

Unfortunately, that didn't work.

I'll tell you exactly what I have tried, and see if you can spot what I'm doing wrong (I'm on the verge of giving up)

1. I reset the BIOS, no sata Raid, and enabled VT, and then built ESX3.5. It built ok, but obviously it couldn't see any storage.

2. I went into the BIOS and enabled Sata Raid (set it to Serial ATA rather than Auto). ESX now gets Root Mount Failed. It will not boot into a service console (troubleshooting) either - it hangs.

3. Booted off a Linux CD, ran lspci, and noted that the built in Adaptec Sata Raid controller has an ID of 31f4. Went into the bios again, disabled Raid, and rebooted into ESX (which boots ok without Raid). I then added a section the sata related xml file to include this ID, ran esxcfg-pciid. I then rebooted, renabled Raid, and tried to boot into ESX.

I still get the Root mount failed error. I don't know why I am having so much trouble when others have found it relatively straightforward!

I don't know whether they ship the G5's with slightly different raid controllers/firmware levels, or what?

Any clues?

Cheer!

Re: SATA Support Clear as Mud!?

146. Mar 31, 2008 7:33 AM in response to: poko70
Click to view supahted's profile Novice 23 posts since
Jun 18, 2007

Poko70 try this:

1. I reset the BIOS, no sata Raid, and enabled VT, and then built ESX3.5.

2. After the first reboot enter BIOS and set SATA mode to SATA, but do not enable SATA RAID!

3. ESX should boot know and you should be able to make a VMFS volume.

This method does not use a RAID configuration and should work. I'm still working on enabling the raid configuration but haven't had the time to work on it.

Re: SATA Support Clear as Mud!?

147. Mar 31, 2008 7:55 AM in response to: supahted
Click to view poko70's profile Lurker 3 posts since
Mar 27, 2008

Supahted,

You're a genius :D

There was me messing about with RAID controller settings, and all the time, I didn't need to concern myself with raid at all!

So, the answer for the ML110 G5, is simply to switch between Auto and Serial ATA in the SATA in the BIOS! No mucking about with various xml files or anything.

Thank you very much indeed! I owe you a beer ;)

Re: SATA Support Clear as Mud!?

148. Apr 1, 2008 8:14 AM in response to: poko70
Click to view a18041967's profile Enthusiast 120 posts since
Mar 11, 2005

This may seem a silly question but is everyone using the same version of VMWare ie V3.5 or Vi3 they offer the same functionallity but the Vi3 version is a very cut down kernal, has anyone tried installing Vi3 on an ML115?

The reason for asking is that I've checked both versions of the software and in V3.5 the nv_sata.xml file only includes id:037e for the NVidia MCP55 SATA controller whereas the PCI.IDS file in the Vi3 cd includes both ID:037e & 037f which is the one required for the ML115.

So to summarise the Vi3 appears to have better hardware support, can anyone confirm this?

Re: SATA Support Clear as Mud!?

149. Apr 2, 2008 1:59 AM in response to: a18041967
Click to view DannyH73's profile Lurker 4 posts since
Mar 14, 2008

Another config that's working, right out of the box, no extra's needed (very surprisingly!)

AMD Athlon64 X2 4200+ 2x2.2GHz Manchester 2x512KB L2
2x1024MB DDR400 Corsair XMS3200 kit + 2x512MB DDR466 PC3700 Corsair (3GB)
ASUS A8N-SLI Premium NForce4+MCP Socket939 PCIe
80GB PATA WD Caviar SE 8MB cache (ESX, using NVRAID) + 160GB Maxtor SATA (VMFS, using SIL3114R)
SATA NVRAID/Silicon Image SIL3114R RAID onboard
Toshiba 16x/48x DVDROM ATAPI
ASUS Pe16 Radeon X1600XT 256DDR3 TV/Out DVI-I 2V Passive Cooling
2x Gigabit LAN (1x NVidia / 1x Marvell) on board - NVidia works, Marvell not

Basically, this is an old PC - one of the first x64's back in the days the AMD A64 was the only one possible. Motherboard ASUS A8N, NVidia NForce4 chipset.

Using 2 (also old) IDE drives: 1 PATA configured on NVRAID (as a normal IDE drive ESX cannot format the drive, as a JBOD RAID drive it can) and 1 SATA JBOD RAID on the SIL controller for my VMFS

-> What more do you need? ;-)

PS: ESX 3.5 tested running fine, 3.0.x does not work, 3i not tested

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