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Re: Web UI is the future?

195. Dec 18, 2007 3:27 AM in response to: sriya
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devzero
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one question, btw:
can i use the web console if there is a http-proxy-server like squid between browser/client and server ?

Re: Web UI is the future?

196. Dec 18, 2007 5:35 AM in response to: devzero
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We use squid at work and the web interface works just fine for me.

Re: Web UI is the future?

197. Dec 18, 2007 5:40 AM in response to: Fieldgeek
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We use squid at work and the web interface works just fine for me.

ok, but did you make sure that there is no direct communication path to your vmware server, i.e. the proxy is really in between ?
i have seen a lot of apps that where told to be a "web interface" and then the plugin component made a direct tcp connection to the server and was NOT able to speak http protocol (and thus being proxied by an http proxy)

Re: Web UI is the future?

198. Dec 18, 2007 6:09 AM in response to: devzero
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My network would be a bad example then. There would be a valid direct connection between my browsers and the vmware boxes if the plugin opened a tcp connection. I have not actually paid attention to it. I don't handle the proxy configuration at work and all I know is that it just works. I can check though.


Re: Web UI is the future?

199. Dec 18, 2007 6:35 AM in response to: Fieldgeek
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I can check though.
this would be nice. (netstat -an, tcpdump or whatever else)
i don`t have the setup here for testing myself, i.e. no proxy

Re: Web UI is the future?

200. Dec 18, 2007 1:27 PM in response to: devzero
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Ok, VMware, you want feedback here it is.

1. A web based UI is ok (not great, or even good, just ok) but the need for a browser plugin is a security risk I will not allow my users to take.

2. Bundling a web server and java server in with your product and not notifying anyone that this is happening, is a risk I will not allow my server to take.

Well there are two major problems with this beta that you have released. I am hoping that the design docs are not hard set yet because reason number 2 will turn off most Sys Admins and item number 1 will cause major problems with users. My reasoning behind that, what happens to that plugin when the browser is updated / upgraded? Most plugins are either disabled or no longer valid for that release. I have more issues than these two, but if these two could be fixed then I would be willing to try it for longer than 73 minutes (which is how long it lived on my server before I uninstalled it).

Re: Web UI is the future?

201. Dec 19, 2007 2:45 PM in response to: bkolin
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I agree with the other comments on this board, I prefer the Windows based "Server Console" vs. the new web UI. I have two VMWare Server 1.04 servers in a lab that provide access to any engineer in a specific NIS domain. After I upgraded to the 2.0 beta, I downgraded immediately after noticing the following:
  • The Windows Server Console cannot be used to access virtual machines.

  • Users cannot login with an NIS domain account. I know this is a known issue, and currently you must log in as root, but it was something I wasn't expecting.

  • Biggest issue I have with this version, users can't create a virtual machine unless they're given a URL by the system administrator. At least, that's how it seems to work. With the VMWare Server Console any authorized user, e.g. in an NIS domain, can login and create a virtual machine. With the new Web UI, a URL must be provided for users to access the system, and the URL is specific to a virtual machine that is created before hand by the admin.

  • The second biggest issue, related to the previous one, is that it seems users won't be able to view a complete list of all available virtual machines running on the server unless they're given a specific URL to a particular virtual machine. Granted, I never tried to log in as a non-root user (since so far it seems you must be root to log in), but from looking at the interface and reading the online help it appears this is the way it's designed to work moving forward.

  • I also don't like the design of the web UI, it needs a lot of work. I prefer the way the UI looked previously when accessing the web administration pages.

In summary, I won't upgrade to the new version unless it maintains feature parity with the 1.X line.
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