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GnatGoSplat Enthusiast 37 posts since
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Nov 13, 2007 7:42 PM

Web UI is the future?

 

I am not a fan of the Web UI to put it politely.  It's slooooow on an AMD X2 4400+ machine.  I can actually see the screen update.  The more I use it, the less I enjoy it.  I can see it has its place for convenient remote admin, but there should be a choice between it and the original style console for configuration.  Is there, or will there be a Win32 style program for management/console, possibly as a separate download, or is Web UI the future?

 

 

For that matter, I'm not a fan of this forum software either!  It was a lot better several months ago.

 

 

 

 

 

alizard Novice 8 posts since
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1. Nov 13, 2007 9:31 PM in response to: GnatGoSplat
I got the word on that somewhere else.

I won't be upgrading to V2.0 unless and until they put the console back in.

eot Novice 30 posts since
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2. Nov 13, 2007 10:21 PM in response to: alizard
Re: I got the word on that somewhere else.

I have to agree. This "thin" client isn't so thin.  Tomcat has a fairly hefty footprint on the server, and it doesn't work at all through port forwarding.  The old "thick" client and mui both worked flawlessly through a port forwarded firewall.  I really hope that we're given the option.

bkolin Hot Shot VMware Employees 112 posts since
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3. Nov 13, 2007 11:18 PM in response to: GnatGoSplat
Re: Web UI is the future?

Performance improvements are on the schedule for upcoming releases.  In terms of paradigm, are there issues besides performance that cause you to not like a web user interface?  Browser versions, feature set, etc?

Expert VMware Employees 471 posts since
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4. Nov 13, 2007 11:59 PM in response to: eot
Re: I got the word on that somewhere else.
eot wrote:

it doesn't work at all through port forwarding.

 

Can you elaborate here? Which ports are you forwarding? It should work if you forward the HTTPS port (or whatever port you picked for HTTPS traffic during the install process), and port 902 a.k.a. the authd port.

alizard Novice 8 posts since
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5. Nov 14, 2007 1:26 AM in response to: bkolin
there are times when running VMware Server on the desktop

that one just doesn't want to be bothered with opening a browser. Especially if the rest of the computer is running at high resource utilization.

xupetas Novice 7 posts since
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6. Nov 14, 2007 1:33 AM in response to: alizard
Re: there are times when running VMware Server on the desktop

 

there is also the problem that i dont have browsers installed on my linux vmserver machines and i dont want to go around the datacenter with a laptop to use.

 

 

i think that vmware console is great AND that vmware-cmd is unreplaceable....

 

 

 

 

 

please bring them back.

 

 

eot Novice 30 posts since
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7. Nov 14, 2007 1:50 AM in response to: bkolin
Re: Web UI is the future?

Currently I can't see how I would remotely administer more than 1 vmware server 2 box.  From another thread it seems that I need to forward both port 902 and the https port but cannot translate them to alternate ports (thus allowing remote administration of more than 1 server)  With vmware server 1 it was simple, I could forward port 902 to anything I wanted as I could specify it in the the vmware console instance, and same with the mui.  I guess it also comes down to the fact if I didn't want to install the mui I didn't have to...all management interfaces could be remote and technically more portable.  In a pinch I could run the vmware console through a SSH tunnel.  I'm challenged to find similar solutions with vmware server 2.

 

If you provide the same level of flexibility as we have come to take for granted with vmware server 1 with your new product then it would be easier to migrate to your web interface.  However, there should be a way to manage multiple vmware server instances from 1 instance of the web console.  Just as I only required 1 installation of the vmware console software, it should not be necessary to have more than 1 instance of the web console.  It seems to be a waste of memory and processor cycles that could be better used by the guests, since in the long run, that's what these servers are there for.

 

I'm definitely flexible, but I still need to be able to do my job on a day to day basis, as does every other admin here I would assume.  As I was more than willing to start using vmware server 1 from its first beta, I will do the same with server 2 in the hopes that our input helps shape its development.  There is some amazing advances being made for a free product.

 

Please let me know if you would like more input or information, and please keep up the development!

 

t.

eot Novice 30 posts since
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8. Nov 14, 2007 2:06 AM in response to: rrdharan
Re: I got the word on that somewhere else.

As to what ports I'm forwarding:

 

On the server I have it installed to use the default ports:

 

Management -> 902

HTTP -> 80

HTTPS -> 443

 

I translate this through my firewall to:

 

Management -> 906

HTTP -> Not forwarded (does it need to be?)

HTTPS -> 8086

 

The web interface loads fine remotely, but when I attempt to login I get "Web service unavailable"  I am able to login from a local server.  Is there some place I can set the ports, or do I need to change them locally to match the remote ports?  I'd kind of like to be able to keep the defaults (makes installing easier).

 

Anyhow, please let me know if you need more information.

 

Regards,

 

Tren

Medium Novice 11 posts since
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9. Nov 14, 2007 3:13 AM in response to: eot
Re: Web UI is the future?

 

With VMware Server 2 beta 1.. u can manage all your guests in one web browser, just like VMware 1.04 console

 

 

 

 

 

Best Regards

 

 

 

 

 

Medium

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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TAMW Enthusiast 30 posts since
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10. Nov 14, 2007 3:38 AM in response to: GnatGoSplat
Re: Web UI is the future?

You don't have to use the web UI

 

 

You can try the thick VI client. See screenshot

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jperlow Novice 25 posts since
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11. Nov 14, 2007 3:38 AM in response to: GnatGoSplat
Re: Web UI is the future?

 

 

 

 

I am going to repeat here what I said on the main Server forum.

 

 

All I can say is I am royally pissed they removed the native console application. It was fast, worked well, stable, and did what I wanted it to do. Now we have a slow, buggy web app that should never be the primary interface

for a console. Now we are forced into installing VNC or NX to be able

to get fast console access to our virtual boxes. The web interface is

horrid, confusing and slow -- Why the hell couldnt have VMWare ported

the Virtual Infrastructure 3 client to a neutral platform, like QT, and

have native versions for Windows, Linux and Mac, instead of this

horrible thing? Even Java would have been better than this peice of

garbage.

 

 

 

I plead... I implore... no, I BEG... VMWare to Open Source the VMWare

Server Console and the interface API specs so we can maintain it as a

viable management option going forward. Nobody should be forced into

using a web interface for a virtual machine console. As a loyal VMWare

user since 1999 and having worked with every version of the product

since then, in GSX, ESX, Server, Workstation and Player versions, I

strongly urge the company to reconsider removing the native console.

PUT IT BACK!!!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jason Perlow

 

 

 

Sr. Technology Editor

 

 

 

Linux Magazine

 

 

jperlow@linux-mag.com

TAMW Enthusiast 30 posts since
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12. Nov 14, 2007 3:39 AM in response to: jperlow
Re: Web UI is the future?

there is a native console app, see my previous post

TAMW Enthusiast 30 posts since
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13. Nov 14, 2007 4:20 AM in response to: jperlow
Re: Web UI is the future?

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TAMW Enthusiast 30 posts since
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14. Nov 14, 2007 3:44 AM in response to: TAMW
Re: Web UI is the future?

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