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Netbackup or Backupexec posted: Oct 10, 2007 7:27 AM

Click to view beckhamk's profile Hot Shot 311 posts since
Aug 10, 2007
We currently have backupexec 11d and are planning to most likel use that for backups with VCB. But we wanted to get opinions on why we would want to use netbackup instead of backupexec? We have seen that netbackup v6.5 has some new supported vmware features. Opinions?

Re: Netbackup or Backupexec

1. Oct 10, 2007 7:35 AM in response to: beckhamk
Click to view ejward's profile Master 863 posts since
Sep 23, 2005
We use Netbackup .... not with VCB though. We use ESX Ranger with VCB. Anyway ..... if i had a choice, I'd go back to Backupexec. I'm not quite sure what we've gained by going to Netbackup. One of our remote offices uses BackupExec with VCB and it works just fine.

Re: Netbackup or Backupexec

3. Oct 10, 2007 12:58 PM in response to: beckhamk
Click to view jfields's profile Enthusiast 35 posts since
Feb 9, 2007

I would go with Netbackup, if you can afford it. It is Symantec's enterprise offering and has more features. Basically, Netbackup is for enterprises that can afford it and Backup Exec is for smaller organizations that don't need or cannot afford all of the features of NB.

It sounds like it has more to offer for VMWare, as well:

  • Granular recovery for VMware, SharePoint Portal Server and Exchange
  • Rapid recovery with heterogeneous snapshot management
  • Core system recovery in 15 minutes on any platform


We use BE 11d currently ourselves due to price, but I prefer Netbackup from previous experience.

J

Re: Netbackup or Backupexec

4. Oct 10, 2007 4:23 PM in response to: beckhamk
Click to view dconvery's profile Virtuoso 1,885 posts since
May 10, 2006
I don't believe Vizioncore vRangerPro does incremental images when coupled with VCB. But I have implemented VCB / vRangerPro and Netbackup or BackupExec many times. From a VCB standpoint, NBU is better, but once you add vRanger, there are no huge differences.

Re: Netbackup or Backupexec

5. Oct 10, 2007 5:40 PM in response to: dconvery
Click to view jfields's profile Enthusiast 35 posts since
Feb 9, 2007

From vRanger forums:

"With VCB we only do Full backups."


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Re: Netbackup or Backupexec

6. Oct 10, 2007 7:36 PM in response to: jfields
Click to view cde's profile Novice 6 posts since
Apr 11, 2007
Netbackup 6.5 Enterprise will allow you to perform snapshot backups via BCP, and the read the images to perform individual file restores.

Re: Netbackup or Backupexec

8. Oct 12, 2007 12:26 PM in response to: beckhamk
Click to view Erik Zandboer's profile Expert 671 posts since
Jun 11, 2007

Hi,

I am currently testing with esXpress, and have been running Veritas err Symantec Backup Exec since version 8.0 (since version9 on ESX). I must say the combination is a killer :)

Backup exec always had most problems with backup up of exchange, domain controller system states and SQL. So why take all the trouble? I now backup all my VMs using esXpress. Great product. The one thing I do not backup using esXpress, are the D: drives of my fileservers. These are backed up using Symantec Backup Exec 11.

The result: I have all of my VMs on an FTP site, and they are now experimentally replicating to DR as well (esXpress beta version 3.1-RC3). This works nice. I backup only files using Backup Exec, which never fails also. No more problems getting locks and stuff.

I like to think I now have best of both wolrds: Instant VM recovery of full VMs, file level backup and restore of my file servers!

Re: Netbackup or Backupexec

10. Oct 12, 2007 5:09 PM in response to: beckhamk
Click to view cde's profile Novice 6 posts since
Apr 11, 2007
Netbackup 6.5 Enterprise. If your only running a small number of servers though Backup Exec 11d is probably a better fit.

Re: Netbackup or Backupexec

12. Oct 14, 2007 8:31 PM in response to: beckhamk
Click to view cde's profile Novice 6 posts since
Apr 11, 2007

It depends on your recovery policy.

BCP is good for just full snapshots and file level recovery (with netbackup enterprise).

Database applications (SQL, Exchange etc) that need special recovery mechanisms should still use a dedicated agent.

Re: Netbackup or Backupexec

13. Oct 15, 2007 1:09 AM in response to: beckhamk
Click to view Erik Zandboer's profile Expert 671 posts since
Jun 11, 2007
Hi,

Indeed I use esXpress for backuping up all my VMs. All but my fileserver (which is no more than a standard W2K3 server+FTP+print which I keep as a template). I upload my VMDK backups through esXpress to the same fileserver (using FTP). After that, I backup the entire fileserver using an agent on the fileserver for Backup Exec to tape. Including the images of my VMs.

Almost forgot, in order to be done with all these problems around quiescing which simply fails occasionally, I simply ask esXpress to take some of my VMs down (soft shutdown), then make the snapshot, power them back on, and stream the VM to the FTP server. This is a sure way to quiesce your backups, and is acceptable in my environment (Exchange for instance goes down for 5 minutes every day around 3:00AM using this setup). The upside is off course, that the backup is ALWAYS restorable without any problems of an unclean shutdown.

Apart from that, I now run esXpress 3.1-RC3 to test what the people at esXpress call "simple replication". The most important VMs (Exchange, Domain controller, SQL etc) get restored during the day automagically using the auto mass-restore feature. Basically every VM marked for replication which has a new backup image (delta or full), gets restored automatically to the DR site each day (or more frequent if you choose to).

In case of severe problems at the primary site, I can just directly fire up the VMs which are restored daily to the DR site (without having to set LUNs to primary, reregister VMs or any of that), rollout a template of the fileserver there and stream the file-level backup from tape. Solid!

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