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Re: Pro's and Con's for Esxpress and ESX Ranger

15. Mar 5, 2007 3:41 PM in response to: kix1979
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Nov 11, 2003
In begging to differ, lets review the math.

Suppose I have my physical server, a dually box, or even a 4 way. It has my 1Gb (or 2GB) fiber card. Now mind you, this is a Windows box, running VCB and some type of backup software.

Assuming this machine was getting 25mb/s on backups and you could run 4. OK, I'm assuming that this Windows server could be reading, compressing, backing up data at 100 megabytes per second. Yes, stay with me here.
10 meg/sec = 35 GB/Hour (100mb)
100meg/sec = 350 GB/Hour (1000mb)
So 10 hours at 100meg/sec (1000mb) would get you 3.5TB of backups.

Now I rounded the numbers a bit.
In your 10 hour backup window, your VCB box can backup 3.5TB. So for 10TB, you need 3 VCB proxies?
How does VCB scale, or am I missing something?

thanks
ron

And about the esxpress daemon in the console. There are jobs in the console that create, control and destory the VBA VMs. All the actual data processing happens in the virtual space. So if you have an 8 way host, you can run 8 backups if you choose.

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ronzo

Re: Pro's and Con's for Esxpress and ESX Ranger

16. Mar 5, 2007 3:27 PM in response to: jrhodes
Click to view kix1979's profile Champion 3,769 posts since
Oct 14, 2004
VCB or VCB integration has no impact to your systems when you do a backup vs. console or virtual appliances. Also since you are mentioning, keep in mind that esXpress does install inside of the service console and runs a daemon on the host.

Re: Pro's and Con's for Esxpress and ESX Ranger

17. Mar 5, 2007 3:48 PM in response to: ronzo
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Oct 14, 2004
With any product that uses resources on the host, you are not going to run a backup during production hours. There is no reason to run VCB within a 10 hour window, since it uses no resources on the ESX hosts. Therefore you can run VCB 24 hours with minimal impact. Now granted, there are exceptions to this, but those VM's could be scheduled during what you would consider to be the backup window. In addition to VCB, if you use VCB and network based backups, you are now able to do a combination of backup technologies that scales out and up with minimal costs. Why use one backup technology when you can leverage both?

Re: Pro's and Con's for Esxpress and ESX Ranger

18. Mar 5, 2007 3:53 PM in response to: kix1979
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Oct 14, 2004
Another question I have for all of us, me included... Is there a set of standardized tests for backups, similar to the process used for SQL testing for hardware? I'd love to have a standardized set of VMs or something that could be used for bake-offs or something.

Also I forgot to mention, if your SAN infrastructure can support 2G+ fibre channel cards, it will improve speeds even further.

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kix1979 :) Add the fibre stuff

Re: Pro's and Con's for Esxpress and ESX Ranger

19. Mar 5, 2007 3:57 PM in response to: Gaprofitt
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Oct 31, 2005
Hey look at that.

Gasprofitt started you guys going again, marked this thread answered and didn't even give you any points for your blood pressure.

'Doh

Re: Pro's and Con's for Esxpress and ESX Ranger

20. Mar 5, 2007 4:01 PM in response to: BrianG
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Oct 14, 2004
Good point, where are the points ;) I need to widen the gap between Mr. T! hehe

Re: Pro's and Con's for Esxpress and ESX Ranger

21. Mar 5, 2007 4:33 PM in response to: BrianG
Click to view ronzo's profile Hot Shot 325 posts since
Nov 11, 2003
Brian-
All in good spirits! With the VMware market growing everyday, us and those guys are going to be crowded out by the big boys soon enough. (or crushed like bugs)
The only high blood pressure I know of is from MS not wanting to support VMs!

thanks
ronzo

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