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Rhys22 Novice 8 posts since
Nov 9, 2005
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Nov 9, 2005 2:47 PM

VMWare Tools + VMWare Player = Legal?

Im wondering, can I use the VMWare tools from ISO file from VMWare Workstion trial to install on my VMWare player Machines? Would this be in breach of the copyright?

 

Example:

1.A friend has VMWare workstation and makes me a basic windows xp Machine(With out VMTOOLS installed).

 

2. I have the remains of an old VMware workstaion trial that has long since expired.

 

3. I boot up my xp machine in the vmware palyer and mount the windows.iso file and install the VMware tools.

 

Is it leagl?

 

Hope this makes sense!

 

Cheers,

Rhys

p.s. Thanks to VMware for the player. Very cool!

bac Expert 597 posts since
Dec 29, 2004
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1. Nov 9, 2005 3:30 PM in response to: Rhys22
Re: VMWare Tools + VMWare Player = Legal?

See my previous post about this:

 

http://www.vmware.com/community/message.jspa?messageID=300296#300296

 

The short version is, yes it's legal. VMware does not impose any limitations on how you can use the VMware Tools. Note that it's up to you to make sure that you have proper licensing for whatever guest OS you run in your VM.

boydd Champion 5,708 posts since
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2. Nov 9, 2005 3:54 PM in response to: bac
Re: VMWare Tools + VMWare Player = Legal?

I was kinda thinking along those lines - especially since the Browser Appliance comes with the vmtools installed on it.

 

I havan't tried any of the other OEM's pre-packaged VM's (Suse/Novell, RH, Oracle etc....).  Do they come preloaded with vmtools?

 

One thing I noticed with the Browser Appliance was that it has been the only Linux VM that I have ever seen that can keep time running as a VM.  Any Ideas?

 

DB

DB
bac Expert 597 posts since
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3. Nov 9, 2005 4:16 PM in response to: boydd
Re: VMWare Tools + VMWare Player = Legal?

I havan't tried any of the other OEM's pre-packaged

VM's (Suse/Novell, RH, Oracle etc....).  Do they come

preloaded with vmtools?

 

Actually I haven't used any of them either so I'm not sure. I would hope that they do come with VMware Tools installed though; they certainly should.

 

One thing I noticed with the Browser Appliance was

that it has been the only Linux VM that I have ever

seen that can keep time running as a VM.  Any Ideas?

 

I don't quite follow the question. Are you saying that the Browser Appliance has no problems with keeping accurate time and you're wondering why? Or something else?

boydd Champion 5,708 posts since
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4. Nov 9, 2005 4:27 PM in response to: bac
Re: VMWare Tools + VMWare Player = Legal?

>I don't quite follow the question. Are you saying that the Browser Appliance >has no problems with keeping accurate time and you're wondering why? Or >something else?

 

Yes - that is what I am saying.  I've run FreBSD, RH, Mandriva and multiple other flavors of linux vm's and have yet to succeed in getting them to maintain any time sync with the host via the vmtools.  They constantly drift/loose time.  The only fix that I have found is to cron ntpd to force a sync in time.

 

So, when I saw that the appliance was able to keep time with my host (VMplayer running on XP SP2).  I may have answered my own question.  All the other linux vm's are running on ESX.  Maybe a windows host is better for linux guests.  Any feed-back would be great. 

 

DB

DB
bac Expert 597 posts since
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5. Nov 9, 2005 4:51 PM in response to: boydd
Re: VMWare Tools + VMWare Player = Legal?

Yes - that is what I am saying.  I've run FreBSD, RH,

Mandriva and multiple other flavors of linux vm's and

have yet to succeed in getting them to maintain any

time sync with the host via the vmtools.  They

constantly drift/loose time.  The only fix that I

have found is to cron ntpd to force a sync in time.

 

So, when I saw that the appliance was able to keep

time with my host (VMplayer running on XP SP2).  I

may have answered my own question.  All the other

linux vm's are running on ESX.  Maybe a windows host

is better for linux guests.  Any feed-back would be

great. 

 

Ah, I see. I doubt that it has anything to do with Windows host. In fact, running a modern (i.e. 2.6 kernel) Linux guest on Windows hosts presents some challenges, since Windows generally uses a lower system timer rate than recent Linux kernels and this can be problematic for virtualizing time properly. (In general, you need the host timer to be running at least as fast as the guest needs.) If you're interested, I highly recommend reading this whitepaper on timer virtualization, it will probably teach you more than you ever wanted to know:

 

http://www.vmware.com/pdf/vmware_timekeeping.pdf

 

Anyway the short answer to your question is that we are always trying to improve our timer virtualization, and in this case I suspect that the improvement you're seeing is due to improvements that have been made in the Workstation 5 code that are not in ESX 2.

boydd Champion 5,708 posts since
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6. Nov 9, 2005 5:02 PM in response to: bac
Re: VMWare Tools + VMWare Player = Legal?

Legacy kernel in the 2.x distro of ESX.  I'm dying to get my hands on ESX 3.0.  I do have a vmtn subscription - maybe I'll try the newest WS and GSX on a 2.6 distro of Linux as a host.

 

Wish the beta software was part of the vmtn subscription (I think I might have even made a feature request for this a while back).

 

Thanks for the link to the white paper.

 

DB

DB
bac Expert 597 posts since
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7. Nov 9, 2005 5:16 PM in response to: boydd
Re: VMWare Tools + VMWare Player = Legal?

Legacy kernel in the 2.x distro of ESX.  I'm dying to

get my hands on ESX 3.0.  I do have a vmtn

subscription - maybe I'll try the newest WS and GSX

on a 2.6 distro of Linux as a host.

 

Bear in mind that the latest version of GSX (3.2) is roughly the same era of code as ESX 2.x, so you're more likely to see the improvements in WS 5.5.

 

Thanks for the link to the white paper.

 

Sure.

kingneutron Master 1,370 posts since
Apr 16, 2005
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8. Nov 13, 2005 1:54 PM in response to: Rhys22
Re: VMWare Tools + VMWare Player = Legal?

Note that you should really install the \*latest* version of vmware tools.

The user interface changed drastically (at least for Linux hosts) from vmware 3.x to vmware 5.x - who knows what changed internally.

 

If I were you, I'd download the latest trial and grab the tools .iso from that for your VM.

./. If you have appreciated my response, please remember to apply Helpful/Correct points. TIA
lmikesell Novice 20 posts since
Nov 11, 2005
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9. Nov 14, 2005 11:50 AM in response to: kingneutron
Re: VMWare Tools + VMWare Player = Legal?

Is it possible to install vmware tools in a way that would work in a PXE booted environment?  That is, I'd like to use a virtual machine with no OS installed as a thin client on a network already set up with LTSP.  The PXE boot works fine but the screen seems to be limited to 1024x768 and the keyboard/mouse don't automatically move in/out of the guest screen.

magi Master VMware Employees 2,096 posts since
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10. Nov 14, 2005 5:51 PM in response to: lmikesell
Re: VMWare Tools + VMWare Player = Legal?

I'm only minimally familiar with LTSP, but can you install the VMware Tools into the client image that you PXE boot?

irw Lurker 1 posts since
May 10, 2006
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11. May 10, 2006 9:04 AM in response to: kingneutron
Re: VMWare Tools + VMWare Player = Legal?

Can anyone give me a hint on getting the tools installed in a linux guest? I downloaded ubuntu from the appliance pages, but find that full screen, the Player menu is in the way at the top of the screen, and I cannot click on it unless I change to a window.  The Host is Windows XP.

 

I'm assuming the tools will help with this.  Alternatively, is there another way around this?

 

Ian

tclendenen Expert 342 posts since
Jan 5, 2005
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12. May 10, 2006 9:08 AM in response to: irw
Re: VMWare Tools + VMWare Player = Legal?

VMPlayer doesn't include the tools.  Have you tried the VMware browser appliance?  It is ubuntu based and comes with the tools already installed.

 

see: http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/browserapp.html

 

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chrispitude Novice 31 posts since
May 5, 2006
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13. May 10, 2006 7:38 PM in response to: Rhys22
Re: VMWare Tools + VMWare Player = Legal?

Where can I download VMTools?  Do I have to register for an evaluation version of VMWorkstation, or is there another link where I can just get the VMTools ISO from VMWare's page?  I looked around but did not find a download link.  I see this question asked a lot, but I don't seem to see any direct answers.

 

Thanks!

 

- Chris

tclendenen Expert 342 posts since
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14. May 10, 2006 7:48 PM in response to: chrispitude
Re: VMWare Tools + VMWare Player = Legal?

They must be installed from Workstation, Server, etc.

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