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pcu2 Novice 12 posts since
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Sep 14, 2011 4:16 PM

Is there any chance that support for 32bit CPUs (P4) will return in 8.x?

Why was it dropped?

jameslin Master VMware Employees 1,385 posts since
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1. Sep 15, 2011 12:51 PM in response to: pcu2
Re: Is there any chance that support for 32bit CPUs (P4) will return in 8.x?

No, 32-bit CPU support won't be coming back.

 

We dropped 32-bit CPU support to make our code simpler and easier to maintain, to improve performance, and to remove constraints going forward. Continuing to support 32-bit CPUs also would have been a burden for development and for testing.  Since it's no longer possible to buy 32-bit CPUs (aside from some old 32-bit Atoms), we don't believe that supporting them is worth the trouble.

 

Unfortunately, if you need to continue using a 32-bit CPU, you will need to use Workstation 7.

jameslin Master VMware Employees 1,385 posts since
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3. Sep 15, 2011 3:22 PM in response to: pcu2
Re: Is there any chance that support for 32bit CPUs (P4) will return in 8.x?

Yes, there are 32-bit CPUs still being used, but from our usage data, they represent only a small fraction of our users.

Mele20 Enthusiast 48 posts since
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4. Sep 15, 2011 6:21 PM in response to: jameslin
Re: Is there any chance that support for 32bit CPUs (P4) will return in 8.x?

Didn't realize I was a part of a "small fraction" of Workstation users.  My Pentium4 CPU is capable of 64bit but I run XP Pro on it. Why would I want to switch to XP Pro 64 bit?  I own Vista Ultimate 32 bit and Vista Ultimate 64 bit but I choose to run XP Pro 32 bit. I think it premature to withdraw support for 32bit when XP Pro is still supported until 2014.

 

I tried to install Windows 8 Preview last night on Workstation 7 and encounter a HAL initialization failed error. I came here and read that I needed to upgrade to Workstation 8 but then I learned that I cannot do that.

 

I don't think I'll be purchasing Workstation in the future as I don't appreciate support being pulled out from under me like you have done. I fully expected to be able to run Windows 8 preview, beta on Workstation 7 or be able to upgrade to 8 on 32bit XP Pro to run it.

kdshapiro Enthusiast 144 posts since
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5. Sep 15, 2011 7:23 PM in response to: Mele20
Re: Is there any chance that support for 32bit CPUs (P4) will return in 8.x?

It's not switching to xp pro 64. I'm running 64 bit guests under XP. Your cpu has to have the compatible instruction set.

Mele20 Enthusiast 48 posts since
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6. Sep 15, 2011 8:18 PM in response to: kdshapiro
Re: Is there any chance that support for 32bit CPUs (P4) will return in 8.x?

I have the compatible instruction set.

 

Intel Pentium 4 processor 670, Hyperthreading, 3.8GHz

 

But the processor does not support Intel hardware virtualization. Is that needed?

kdshapiro Enthusiast 144 posts since
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7. Sep 15, 2011 8:40 PM in response to: Mele20
Re: Is there any chance that support for 32bit CPUs (P4) will return in 8.x?

I think the virtualization flag is the you mentioned is the issue. The Windows install package supports both 32 and 64 executables, as you know, but the software looks for the virtualization flag from what I remember reading.

jameslin Master VMware Employees 1,385 posts since
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8. Sep 15, 2011 9:09 PM in response to: Mele20
Re: Is there any chance that support for 32bit CPUs (P4) will return in 8.x?

Mele wrote:

 

Didn't realize I was a part of a "small fraction" of Workstation users.  My Pentium4 CPU is capable of 64bit but I run XP Pro on it. Why would I want to switch to XP Pro 64 bit?  I own Vista Ultimate 32 bit and Vista Ultimate 64 bit but I choose to run XP Pro 32 bit. I think it premature to withdraw support for 32bit when XP Pro is still supported until 2014.

We have not dropped support for 32-bit Windows XP hosts.  You can use 32-bit host operating systems (and run 64-bit guests on them!), but we now require that you have a 64-bit VT-capable CPU.

Mele20 Enthusiast 48 posts since
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9. Sep 15, 2011 9:26 PM in response to: kdshapiro
Re: Is there any chance that support for 32bit CPUs (P4) will return in 8.x?

Yeah, now I remember. That is the problem.  The Host system has to have an Intel CPU with VT-x support.  I had wanted to install Vista Ultimate 64bit on Workstation and could not for this reason.  Dell had assured me this processor had hardware virtualizaton but that was incorrect information. (I think it is the 671 that has it and Dell didn't even offer that one back then).

kingneutron Master 1,370 posts since
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10. Sep 16, 2011 9:20 AM in response to: jameslin
Re: Is there any chance that support for 32bit CPUs (P4) will return in 8.x?

--And that is precisely the problem. ;-)

 

--The **majority of the world** is still using older hardware that is 32-bit only.  Vmware made a name for itself on such equipment in the early 2000's - for the 1st time, virtualization worked well on standard home PCs without hardware support.

 

--I was pushing hard in another forum to keep 32-bit-only support for WS for the next few years at least.  It's a little hard to tell your friends that they're now limited to a Certain Version of Player, because Vmware made an arbitrary decision to drop support for their bone-standard CPU too early.

 

--It's a SOFTWARE VIRTUALIZATION PRODUCT, guys...  It shouldn't REQUIRE hardware support!  That's why I bought WS3 back in the day in the 1st place!  I was getting tired of reinstalling Win98, and decided to run WS on Linux for better stability.  I've been a huge fan ever since.

 

--For Vmware's sake, I hope you keep supporting WS 7 32-bit upgrades for the next few OS releases on Linux, etc until Microsoft officially drops support for *all* of their 32-bit stuff.  You're not leaving people with a whole lot of alternatives here.

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kingneutron Master 1,370 posts since
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11. Sep 16, 2011 9:25 AM in response to: kingneutron
Re: Is there any chance that support for 32bit CPUs (P4) will return in 8.x?

--How about this - Take a poll.  Put it right on the vmware front page.  Hands up if you want to keep 32-bit-only support for Vmware Player (at least) for the next few years ?

 

--I think Vmware is by and large an awesome company - and am incredibly grateful for this forum and various other generosities (you guys released Player for free!  Now I can spread the word - and have!) -- kindly give the userbase a chance to respond to correct your "usage data." ;-)

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jameslin Master VMware Employees 1,385 posts since
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12. Sep 16, 2011 11:01 AM in response to: kingneutron
Re: Is there any chance that support for 32bit CPUs (P4) will return in 8.x?

kingneutron wrote:

 

--How about this - Take a poll.  Put it right on the vmware front page.  Hands up if you want to keep 32-bit-only support for Vmware Player (at least) for the next few years ?

 

 

If we did such a poll, I'd expect that almost all respondents would say yes, "Sure, keep 32-bit hardware support." It'd be very biased toward a vocal minority who do want it (people who don't care would be unlikely to respond).  I also wouldn't expect most people to appreciate the benefits of dropping 32-bit hardware support, so given a choice between "have" and "have-not", most people probably would choose "have".

 

Our usage data covers a much, much larger sample set than an online poll would.

 

My understanding (but don't quote me on this) is that Workstation 7 will have an extended EOL since we've dropped 32-bit hardware support (and some other things, such as the old teams implementation).

kingneutron Master 1,370 posts since
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13. Sep 16, 2011 11:04 AM in response to: jameslin
Re: Is there any chance that support for 32bit CPUs (P4) will return in 8.x?

--Obliged for the response, James

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dunwich42 Novice 23 posts since
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14. Nov 17, 2011 12:47 PM in response to: jameslin
Re: Is there any chance that support for 32bit CPUs (P4) will return in 8.x?

I'd recommend VMware drop the section on the Workstation 8 "Why Workstation" page titled "Recycle old hardware".

http://www.vmware.com/products/workstation/index.html

 

Dropping support for 32bit this early on makes a mockery of that.

 

I have one new 64bit machine but I also have two old 32bit machines that I had planned to continue using virtualisation on for a while yet. I probably will continue to use them, but I guess it won't be with VMware.

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